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By Bob Duncan

Coastal communities in the Highlands and Islands are becoming increasingly frustrated by the intransigence of the London-based Crown Estates Commission, and are calling for the assets and income managed by the Commissioners to be devolved to Scotland and to the communities themselves.

There is growing anger at what many view as a snub by the body, who administer large swathes of Scotland's coastline and offshore assets, after it refused to hand over control of resources to local communities despite recommendations to do so.

The Crown Estate manages a diverse portfolio in Scotland including five rural estates, mineral and salmon fishing rights, as well as about half of the foreshore and almost the entire seabed.  Its coastal sites specialise in marine renewable energy and aquaculture, while its 37,000 hectares of rural property include nine Sites of Special Scientific Interest.  Currently all profits from Scotland go straight to the UK Treasury in London.

The estate is owned by the Crown and managed by an independent board known as the Crown Estate Commissioners. The estate's revenues do not belong to the monarch, nor to the Crown Estates Commission, which simply acts as a factor, and surplus revenue from its £7bn-worth of business is paid each year to the Treasury for the benefit of all UK taxpayers.

The UK Treasury was last week accused of acting like Marie Antoinette before the French Revolution, after it announced it would give Scots bodies the right to fish for oysters and mussels, while keeping control of the earning potential of the seabed to themselves.  Westminster’s Scottish Affairs Committee had earlier this year urged the commission to hand its powers to the coastal communities instead.

The Crown Estates' response has been limited to a couple of local management agreements for Princes Street Gardens in Edinburgh and inshore waters in the islands and the right to take over some shellfish fisheries.

Campaigners say these concessions are completely worthless and the Commission is blocking their attempts to develop projects for their communities.

The Glenelg and Arnisdale trust, for example, are trying to build a tidal power project in the narrows between Glenelg in the West Highlands and Kylerhea on the Isle of Skye – just a few hundred yards away.  This would be submerged in the fast tidal flow near the route of the community owned and operated ferry and would provide income to further the development of the area.

The trust have been talking to First Minister Alex Salmond about their idea and they are encouraged by the First Minster's responses so far.  It's a plan for all of the west coast, says the trust, not just for the Kyles communities.

They propose that they be given grant money to build the first project, which can act as a template for other projects on the west coast of Scotland. They would pay the grant back over a period of time which would create an ongoing fund to pay for future projects in other communities.

However, the trust says that dealing with the Crown Estates Commissioners has been much more problematic.  The Commissioners initially dismissed the community's ideas out of hand, and have given the impression that they are not prepared to listen to Scottish coastal communities, their needs or their ideas.

This view of the commissioners is shared by communities and bodies across the highlands and islands, leading to calls for the business of the Crown Estates to be devolved to the communities from where it collects its income.

In March a damning report by Westminster MPs said that the Crown Estate Commission operates with a "lack of accountability and transparency" in Scotland and accused the organisation of acting like an absentee landlord.
 
The report said: "At best, [the Crown Estate] has little regard for those needs and interests other than where it serves Crown Estate Commission's business interests.
 
"At worst, it behaves as an absentee landlord or tax collector which does not re-invest to any significant extent in the sectors and communities from which it derives income."
 
The report said: "The CEC's responsibilities for the seabed, the foreshore and other ancient rights in Scotland should be devolved then decentralised as far as possible."

Last week the UK Treasury ruled out devolving the Crown Estate in Scotland and will leave it instead to continue to be administered by the unelected Crown Estate Commission (CEC) which is based in London.

The concessions announced last week were described by campaigners as "utterly trifling".  However, the Treasury responded by saying: "The Government recognises the committee's concerns, but is not persuaded the proposals for devolution would offer the best solution to these problems.

"After careful consideration, the Government has concluded there are strengths in the existing arrangements which should be retained as a matter of public interest.  For instance, the Crown Estate's unified management framework provides an incentive to investment in offshore renewable energy."

The Crown Estate's Scottish Commissioner, Gareth Baird, said: "We are serious about changing the way we do business in Scotland and the reforms we are announcing today acknowledge that we could have been more responsive to local communities in the past.

"They will ensure that in addition to delivering new inward investment, business and job opportunities in Scotland, our energy, rural and coastal businesses will be able to respond more effectively to the Scottish communities in which they operate."

Dr Michael Foxley, former LibDem leader of Highland Council who has campaigned for reform of the CEC for more than 25 years, said the concessions were "utterly trifling". "It is the Treasury's equivalent of Marie Antoinette, but 'Let them eat mussels instead of cake'. It is quite appalling for the Treasury to come up with this."

David Cameron, chairman of Community Land Scotland, which works with communities in the process of taking ownership of public land, said “We are disappointed the Government has missed an opportunity to join the consensus for fundamental change in the way the Crown Estate is managed. The case for that change is undiminished.

"The report is somewhat contradictory in appearing to offer future opportunities through local management agreements, while also appearing to rule out transfer of control of vital local assets.

"While continuing to advocate more fundamental change, we will test the boundaries of what may be possible within the local management agreements that are proposed.

"We are not interested in token arrangements, we want our communities to have a real stake in the future ownership and management of their marine resources and to use those assets to grow their local economy - we are looking for access to assets that have real economic value to local communities.”

SNP Rural Affairs Secretary Richard Lockhead said: "This is a missed opportunity by the UK Government for much-needed accountability of the Crown Estate. These developments do not go far enough and greater transparency is needed over all Crown Estate functions in Scotland."

He added: "Scotland deserves better than a limited and reluctant release of the Crown Estate assets from centralised London control.

"Rather than being determined to hold on to the Crown Estate at any cost, the UK government should relinquish responsibility and devolve control to the Scottish Parliament and Scotland's communities."

Although the portfolio is owned by the Crown, any revenue goes to the Treasury in exchange for the Civil List grant, in an arrangement dating back to 1760.  The revenue from the Crown Estates was surrendered to the exchequer in exchange for the setting up of the civil list to pay for Royal expenses and living costs.

This arrangement is now being scrapped and a new Sovereign Grant funding model is being introduced.  Under the new grant, the Queen will receive 15% of all profits from the £7 billion Crown Estate.

Figures show that the value of Scottish property assets increased by 13 per cent in 2010 to £207.1 million.  This included a 42 per cent increase in the value of the marine estate, largely due to offshore renewables.

Comments  

 
# Keep UTG 2012-07-15 09:34
Tavish has been very quiet about this tavishscott.com/.../...

Better together obviously.
 
 
# Ready to Start 2012-07-15 09:45
Ian "you'll get a slap" Davidson and full unionist panel on BBC politics show at lunchtime.

Someone should ask why Labour at Westminster in 1999 just before devolution gave away Scotland's legal rights to 6000 square miles of prime fishing waters to England....which coincidently included three oil fields.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-07-15 11:58
Here's an article on the Scotland stolen fishing border/waters:---
scotster.com/.../...
"The area of sea in question has been Scottish since the border between Scotland and England was fixed in 1237."

Similair from the National Library of Scotland:---
nls.uk/.../fishing-boundary

LABOUR MPs Westminster/MSPs in Scotland----?
Don't ask!

Hope the links help.
 
 
# clootie 2012-07-15 12:50
RtS

I prefer "they think /or intended" to give away 6000s.m. It will be tested in international courts eventually

SnowThistle

"The poor had no lawyers" - reading it at the moment and getting angrier all the time
 
 
# Ard Righ 2012-07-16 22:21
It not theirs to give to themselves!... that which is invalid from the beginning does not become more valid by the lapse of time.

It a bit like saying.....

I can confirm that I own the entire British Isles and Ireland, I have the papers that I authorised to prove my assertion...... according to the results of a survey I just made up to support my next statement, It's mine.
 
 
# call me dave 2012-07-15 10:49
Quote: from the SNP:

"This is a missed opportunity by the UK Government for much-needed accountability of the Crown Estate. These developments do not go far enough and greater transparency is needed over all Crown Estate functions in Scotland."

Seems that there have been a few "missed opportunities in over 300 years"

This is diplomatic speak for

"Hand back what belongs to Scotland and let us get on with making Scotland better"


Roll on 2014.
 
 
# Caadfael 2012-07-15 11:10
I think you'll find that's nearer a dozen RTS, have a look here :-
acorn-ps.com/.../nnsmap.htm
Wastemonster will do all it can to pauchle all and any efforts to use UCG under the Forth as well as any coal deposits found under the stolen area.
We seriously need to "get the hell out from under" their corrupt maladministrati on!
 
 
# snowthistle 2012-07-15 12:01
I highly recommend Andy Wightman's book The Poor Had No Lawyers - Who Owns Scotland (And How They Got It)

The CEC is just one of the travesties committed against the Scottish people regarding land ownership.
It is essential reading but be warned, it will make you very angry.
 
 
# Leswil 2012-07-15 12:02
This is not "a Missed opportunity" as it was never going to happen, to believe it may have is completely naive.

The elite who rule us, will never give up ANYTHING of value unless they really have to.

We have been robbed, we are being robbed, we will continue to be robbed and in so many ways.

They will not give ANYTHING back of consequence, because there is no justice nor democracy on their agenda.

What they have offered is an absolute insult, and what is more, it was meant to be.
The only way to stop the rot is to vote them all out. The communities that are being effected, coastal or rural, should be planning a rout in 2014 to change things for the better. It needs to be encouraged.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-07-15 13:34
It was something that was going through my mind too. During the discussion this morning on BBC, Isobel Fraser pointed out that the Westminster promises to give more powers to Scotland if they say no to independence cannot be trusted if they cannot even sort out the Crown Estates properly and fairly for the benefit of Scotland.
 
 
# proudscot 2012-07-15 14:43
Quoting J Wil:
It was something that was going through my mind too. During the discussion this morning on BBC, Isobel Fraser pointed out that the Westminser promises to give more powers to Scotland if they say no to independence cannot be trusted if they cannot even sort out the Crown Estates properly and fairly for the benefit of Scotland.


I'm just surprised Ian Davidson didn't just repeat his infamous comment of, "Who cares?" as he did during an SNP question on Scotland to David Cameron during PMQs last year.
 
 
# Early Ball 2012-07-15 14:44
"Doing" was in a difficult place there.

He almost choked saying "to be fair to the uk government".

Obviously the unionist in him took priority.

He must have reservations about siding with the Tories so much.

The Labour party is so right wing these days. Did anyone see Mrs Balls with Andrew Neil? She wants high salary immigration and "we are tougher than them over foreigners". Ed Milliband talking about "posh boys" sounded so hypocritical and false.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-07-15 15:03
As you say, 'doing' was doing his best to keep all his options open by described how complicated it was to organize the Crown Estates, suggesting a multi-tiered system which involved local communities, councils, the SG (suprisingly) and Westminster to keep a grip on things. Best all round then?

It was quite interesting to hear Isobel ask Gardham what other important issues might be coming up and then immediately prompt him to speak about them without waiting for him to suggest them himself. Interview management?

Again they had two Union supporting commentators in the studio, pedalling their anti-SNP views. No bias then.
 
 
# spagan 2012-07-15 15:41
It's a pity "no Scottish Government Minister was available". They could and should have had a field day.
 
 
# spagan 2012-07-15 14:55
As Snowthistle says, Andy Wightman's book is a great read. He's an influential guy - and like Lesley Riddoch, no-one's stooge.
He is very critical of the lack of progress that we / our SG have made with regards to land reform.
I think we require a sophisticated yet radical approach as we move towards 2014.
People like Andy will need to be convinced that we stand with the people rather than the landlords.
 
 
# Leswil 2012-07-15 18:00
I have been having a look around on the net about the annexed 6000sq miles of sea.
It is without doubt that this was a sneaky ploy by labour without the Scottish people being asked.
Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and yes Donald Dewar and many other were involved in the construction of the theft.

It seems one (secret!) reason was because the T/Blair labour government accidentally gave all the UK rights to Antartica to Scotland.So this could be a bargaining chip, no doubt for AFTER the North Sea starts to run down.
I did know about both of these things, point is, what are we to do about it?
Our sea border has been the same since the 12th century, but labour just gives it away to Westminster! Also, will give all of our seaboard to the EU, who apparently has wanted it's hands on the North Sea Resources for some time. The may make this a condition of entry to the EU should Scotland become independent.
So firstly, we need to establish the legality of the 6000sq miles.
Secondly we need to make sure if we do have Antarctica legally or not.
Thirdly, we should join the Eu free trade Area as Margo suggests.
Fourth, we need to re-establish that Rockall is indeed Scottish, as the want that too.( possible big oil around!)
We need to thwart the division of Scotlands assets, we need to take heed now, not later.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-07-15 19:47
"Our sea border has been the same since the 12th century"

Sorry, but there was no agreement about maritime borders, further than you could militarily control inshore waters from the land, back then.

It wasn't till 1964 that there was an international agreement on how the Continental Shelf should be allocated between countries. The current agreement was made in 1982.

If you look at the principles used to decide maritime borders of the Continental Shelf, then the correct area of Scottish waters in the North Sea is roughly where the current line has been drawn.

Other countries also have claims on part of the Rockall basin. For Scotland to insist on control of it to the detriment of Ireland, Iceland, the UK (on behalf of Northern Ireland), and Denmark (on behalf of the Faroes) would not make us the the good neighbour that I want Scotland to be.

Let's not copy the antics of Westminster!
 
 
# Leswil 2012-07-16 00:15
Sorry, I do not agree with anything you have posted on this subject and feel you have your facts wrong on all levels with this particular posting. I have stated what I have after reading a lot on all of them.
As for "Let's not copy the antics of Westminster"
God forbid!

However, I do think we have been taken for mugs long enough. We want our own resources now and with that a chance to change our land for the better, not for them to be sucked out of us by Westminster, enough is enough.
 
 
# oldnat 2012-07-16 00:32
You are, of course, free to believe anything you like, and to ignore any facts which you find inconvenient.
 
 
# Wullie B 2012-07-15 19:25
Moot point really , It will come under Scottish rule in 2014 , but did anyone expect anything different anyway , it was another case of jam tomorrow ,just two years early
 
 
# lumilumi 2012-07-15 20:49
Let them eat cake tomorrow!

Seriously, I think this is just another instance of where the Scots and the English differ. Crown land - not personally owned by Lizzie II - belong to the state and ultimately to the local communities, the people who make up the state, right?

No. The London-based CEC cannot get their head around to facts, such as Scotland's ancient customs, because in England every bit of land is owned by somebody and fenced off and...

Well, it cannot be right that the plebs go walking just anywhere? It cannot be right that just anybody could go wandering, hillwalking, mountain climbing just anywhere, unless they are friends of the Twattington-Pratts who own the land or some such.

Who owns Scottish mountains? Westminster think they do but I bet the locals disagree strongly.

Land ownership is a deeply philosophical issue and it seems to me that the English (UK) and Scottish views are quite different.
 
 
# J Wil 2012-07-16 08:16
"Land ownership is a deeply philosophical issue and it seems to me that the English (UK) and Scottish views are quite different."

You find in England that ordinary field gates have 18 inches high barbed wire across their tops to deter bona fide picnicers and walkers.

I always thought that the situation was different in Scotland and it was possible to access any land as long as no damage was done. Then they decided to bring Magnus Magnusson in on the job to redefine the rules, which was a worry.
 
 
# lumilumi 2012-07-16 22:25
Indeed, England, Wales and Cornwall are nightmares to a keen (hill)walker. Scotland's wonderful because it has an 'everyman's right' similar to the Nordic countries. Walking anywhere (provided you don't damage crops or disturb livestock), camping anywhere (except people's gardens), berry or mushroom picking, just like in the Nordic coutries.

The IDEA of land ownership, and what it entails is different across the border. The English defensively fence off all land to exclude, Scots leave it open for everybody to enjoy.

Oh, sorry, I'm not aware of what Magnus Magnusson did. He wrote a history of Scotland, which I read when I need to go to sleep.
 
 
# Leswil 2012-07-16 08:56
Oldnat.
Thank you for agreeing that I have a free will! Pity the Scottish people are not afforded such a privilege!
The border with England was fixed in 1237 and has been that since ie Berwick on Tweed.

I do worry that some people bury their head in the sand just because it is easier to do so, this is not what is needed at this or any time, when it comes to Scottish rights.

I would propose that a petition be started to press for the full circumstances surrounding this theft be made available to the public.

At the moment the Uk will not release them as being " not in the public interest" I ask who's interest?

Also, I like most Scots do want to have a good relationship with our neighbours, but that does not mean should give chunks and rights of our small land to the UK.

If you think that we will be better thought of for doing so, don't count on it. They want everything of value that Scotland possesses.
 
 
# UpSpake 2012-07-16 08:58
It would appear that many if not all of the posters here are unaware of the Lisbon Treaty signed by one Gordon Brown whereby he ceeded control of all of the UK waters right up to the shoreline to the EU. This ruling takes effect in December 2012. THIS YEAR FOLKS - THIE YEAR !.
It seems that not only the Scottish government but also the UK government remain unaware of the implications of what G. Brown signed away. Initially just for fisheries but Oil and Gas are not far behind.
We may well as Scots be impotent as far as the Westminster government are concerned but with the SNP in love with the EU, just how will they stand on this issue post December when the EU start to interfere in every aspect of our marine life ?.
For those still confused on the territorial situation, best visit the SDA web-site and look at the approproiate section dealing with the status of our international waters.
 
 
# Soloman 2012-07-16 09:39
So is this the reason why The Scottish Government seem certain that Scotland will automatically become a member of the EU post Independence?
 
 
# Leswil 2012-07-16 09:41
UpSpake,
I agree it is alarming. As far as the SNP policy regarding Europe is concerned I can see what they are trying to do, ie support in some corridors of European power for Independence.

But, again I agree and I think as time goes on more will agree that we cannot blindly enter the EU when they are prone to such draconian moves.

I now disagree with this possibility, we need to be truly independent and not swap bad for possibly worse.

Margo's idea of joining the free trade area only does meet my own growing convictions. It is an issue which may need to be re-thought by the SNP as I believe support for this is sure to increase.
 
 
# fynesider 2012-07-16 12:47
I would have thought that EFTA and non-NATO would have been a good start for an independent Scotland. We can argue amongst ourselves about the Crown and the money once we have our independence.
 
 
# Dundonian West 2012-07-16 13:16
Borders.
How's this for sheer impudence by a Labour Government? They didn't ask US the people!
1999. Blair-PM. Brown--Chancellor. Dewar---Secretary of State for Scotland. I daresay Darling's in there somewhere.
www.oilofscotland.org/.../
Taken from this oilofscotland web page.
www.oilofscotland.org/.../
They have a Facebook petition.
 
 
# UpSpake 2012-07-16 13:33
Leswil. Margo and her husband, Jim Sillars are both well aware of the SDA position re EFTA and the EEA as well as their position on NATO !.
So indeed are much of teh SNP despite their denials.
 
 
# Ard Righ 2012-07-17 20:20
This is a simple mater of declaration.

Our land, our revenue, royal perogative or not.

Our resource, will be for benefit of our country, If everyone ceased putting their own authority, (complaint/ praise) at the door of Wastemonster and started putting their authority to our own, it ends.
 

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