Thursday, 26 January 2012 01:27
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By a Newsnet reporter 
The BBC has defended one of its top presenters after he compared Scotland’s First Minister Alex Salmond to Robert Mugabe.
The broadcaster received over 150 complaints after Newsnight host Jeremy Paxman compared Scotland to Zimbabwe and Mr Salmond to the African dictator.
Mr Salmond was being interviewed by the presenter after delivering the Hugo Young lecture in London when Paxman remarked on comments by the First Minister who said an independent Scotland would be a “beacon of progressiveness”,
The BBC presenter told the First Minister that Robert Mugabe had said the same thing about Zimbabwe.
When the SNP leader suggested to the BBC presenter that he wasn’t doing himself any favours by comparing Scotland to Zimbabwe Paxman replied: “No, I’m comparing you to Mugabe”.
The remark sparked a flurry of internet anger as people tweeted to one another. The BBC were inundated with complaints after viewers rushed to condemn their front man.
The interview had started with Paxman ridiculing Mr Salmond by referring to him as “Moses”. The Newsnight presenter made several other mocking remarks including claiming that an independent Scotland would be “broke”.
A BBC spokesman defended Mr Paxman and said: “This was a good natured exchange between two experienced political operators who often spar with one another. Jeremy’s reference was made within this context.
“While the comparison was not serious, he was attempting to tease out details of an independent Scotland and how politically progressive it could be.”
It isn’t the first time the presenter has caused controversy. In 2007, shortly before the SNP won its first Scottish election, the BBC were forced to apologise after Mr Paxman confronted Mr Salmond during a live TV debate with a poll suggesting businesses were against independence– the poll turned out to have been fabricated.
In another episode shortly after the 2007 election, the BBC were again forced to apologise after Mr Paxman’s colleague, Kirsty Wark, ended an interview with Mr Salmond in an abrupt and rude fashion.
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2012-01-26 02:58
Got to admit, whilst I thought the Wark interview was downright rude and wholly inappropriate for a supposed 'impartial' interviewer I believe there's a grudging respect between Paxman and Alex Salmond.
This, I believe, was evidenced by the wry grin on Paxman's face at the end of the interview and the jovial closure by Alex Salmond.
And let's not devalue the impetus such interviews give to the independence cause.
As has been previously noted by another forum contributor (forgive me but I forget who), the comments from the Irish commentator following the interview provide a good inkling as to how the wider international audience comes to perceive the 'British' response to the independence question.
Such interviews are manna from heaven for those seeking Scottish independence and don't think for a moment Paxman doesn't realise this! He's as desperate for English independence as we are for Scottish independence.
I for one will be promoting a 'Purple Thistle' award for Paxman come the day of independence! As for Wark, Bird, Campbell, Robertson and Miller ...... I'd happily hand deliver their P45s as a singing telegram FOC.
As for Boothman and McQuarrie ...... I'd wear top hat and tails!
This, I believe, was evidenced by the wry grin on Paxman's face at the end of the interview and the jovial closure by Alex Salmond.
And let's not devalue the impetus such interviews give to the independence cause.
As has been previously noted by another forum contributor (forgive me but I forget who), the comments from the Irish commentator following the interview provide a good inkling as to how the wider international audience comes to perceive the 'British' response to the independence question.
Such interviews are manna from heaven for those seeking Scottish independence and don't think for a moment Paxman doesn't realise this! He's as desperate for English independence as we are for Scottish independence.
I for one will be promoting a 'Purple Thistle' award for Paxman come the day of independence! As for Wark, Bird, Campbell, Robertson and Miller ...... I'd happily hand deliver their P45s as a singing telegram FOC.
As for Boothman and McQuarrie ...... I'd wear top hat and tails!
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2012-01-26 11:45
Jacko, I agree with your observation that there appeared to be considerable respect between AS and JP - There was a brief shared grin and eye contact at the end, which to me looked like both had thoroughly enjoyed their wee 'spat'. As ever, AS was calm, impecably good-mannered and polite, yet witty and completely in command in the face of JPs insults. I think both knew what to expect and both saw it as a game. Overall, it is the kind of game which shows AS to best advantage and should sway a lot of doubters.
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2012-01-26 15:17
I agree entirely with your post Jacko. You notice how Campbell successfully steered Nicola away from telling us how many neutrals had signed up to the SNP since Cameron's Intervention 10 days ago.
Campbell was relatively benign last night but no doubt that will change as we get further into the debate.
VOTE YES
Campbell was relatively benign last night but no doubt that will change as we get further into the debate.
VOTE YES
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2012-01-26 18:55
Quoting Jacko:
That's all very well and I'm sure we all understand that, but it was still indubitably meant as a sneering insult; and the First Minister should not have to bloody well put up with the likes of it. OR grin and bear it.
It was a slur and a deliberate insult, with absolutely no relevance to the matter in hand.
Got to admit, whilst I thought the Wark interview was downright rude and wholly inappropriate for a supposed 'impartial' interviewer I believe there's a grudging respect between Paxman and Alex Salmond.
This, I believe, was evidenced by the wry grin on Paxman's face at the end of the interview and the jovial closure by Alex Salmond.
And let's not devalue the impetus such interviews give to the independence cause.
That's all very well and I'm sure we all understand that, but it was still indubitably meant as a sneering insult; and the First Minister should not have to bloody well put up with the likes of it. OR grin and bear it.
It was a slur and a deliberate insult, with absolutely no relevance to the matter in hand.
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2012-01-26 04:14
People whom take umbridge to that interview need to get out more. Salmon handled himself exceedingly well and gave as good as he got. What do people want, interviewers only asking questions that have been vetted by the PR departments of the political parties, or the give and take of this one? More of this is needed so that all can see how masterful Alex is in any type of interview. Brilliant, more of it I say, more and more and more.
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2012-01-27 19:35
Quoting DonMc:
My point is,the first minister or president or the head of a nation should be treated with the respect for their office. As you would salute an officer, the rank not the person. Would paxo insult Obama or heaven forbid small c cameron?
People whom take umbridge to that interview need to get out more. Salmon handled himself exceedingly well and gave as good as he got. What do people want, interviewers only asking questions that have been vetted by the PR departments of the political parties, or the give and take of this one? More of this is needed so that all can see how masterful Alex is in any type of interview. Brilliant, more of it I say, more and more and more.
My point is,the first minister or president or the head of a nation should be treated with the respect for their office. As you would salute an officer, the rank not the person. Would paxo insult Obama or heaven forbid small c cameron?
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2012-01-26 07:55
Best advert for Scottish independence ever. Paxman's way out questions and the FMs good humour. Its the only way to deal with extremist views. Laughter.
Leave anger and recrimination to others. Mr Paxman made our point more than ably for us.
Leave anger and recrimination to others. Mr Paxman made our point more than ably for us.
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2012-01-26 08:24
Agreed - every time such an exchange takes place the SNP spokesperson walks away with dignity. When you argue from conviction and tell the truth you cannot be caught out - a difficult concept for the Westminster bubble to grasp.
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2012-01-26 09:10
Same deal last night clootie. Johann and Lord Thankless waving their arms like windmills and saying nothing but spouting much (at one point I thought Laird Jim was going to lose it entirely). Nicola and Ms Riddoch making points which could strip paint and look calm whilst doing so.
Calm and positive wins this race.
Calm and positive wins this race.
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2012-01-26 13:17
Quoting Macart:
I agree but I thought Wally had more than a bit to drink.
Same deal last night clootie. Johann and Lord Thankless waving their arms like windmills and saying nothing but spouting much (at one point I thought Laird Jim was going to lose it entirely). Nicola and Ms Riddoch making points which could strip paint and look calm whilst doing so.
Calm and positive wins this race.
I agree but I thought Wally had more than a bit to drink.
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2012-01-26 13:20
Wildly wavin' away and sweatin' like a pig. You might be right, but he had enough smarts to become deeply upset at the young lad who called him a relic. The face was priceless. :0)
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2012-01-26 08:47
Paxman can be as hard hitting as he wants but when it gets down to the level of an insult of this order that's where I draw the line.
When Paxman compares Alex Salmond to Robert Mugabe, he insults everyone who voted for him. And DonMc, I do get out plenty.
I am one who still pays for his TV licence and to have Paxman who I pay for come into my living room as it were and insult the First Minister of Scotland in this way is a slap in the face that you shouldn't accept quite so easy. You're damn right I complained. I used the telephone and asked for a written reply because that will take up extra time, effort and money. I think that the BBC are being a bit disingenuous about the number of complaints.
I only hope that more complain in teh future if the numbers were this low. Don't let them get away with it because if you do, people like Paxman will sink lower the next time. What's next Franco, Mussolini, ....Hitler? Anyone that thinks this is acceptable needs rewiring.
When Paxman compares Alex Salmond to Robert Mugabe, he insults everyone who voted for him. And DonMc, I do get out plenty.
I am one who still pays for his TV licence and to have Paxman who I pay for come into my living room as it were and insult the First Minister of Scotland in this way is a slap in the face that you shouldn't accept quite so easy. You're damn right I complained. I used the telephone and asked for a written reply because that will take up extra time, effort and money. I think that the BBC are being a bit disingenuous about the number of complaints.
I only hope that more complain in teh future if the numbers were this low. Don't let them get away with it because if you do, people like Paxman will sink lower the next time. What's next Franco, Mussolini, ....Hitler? Anyone that thinks this is acceptable needs rewiring.
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2012-01-26 19:02
Quoting Saltire Groppenslosh:
I agree entirely. Since when is it acceptable to insult the interviewee?
Quoting Saltire Groppenslosh:
I suspect the Beeb in London has already briefed everyone handling complaints: "if it's from Jockland, here are the standard template replies to use; otherwise, we *know* there'll be loads of complaints. Don't waste time on them: ignore as far as possible"
It's like they used to say on Rowan & Martin's Laugh In sketches: "We're the phone company, ma'am. We don't have to care"
Paxman can be as hard hitting as he wants but when it gets down to the level of an insult of this order that's where I draw the line.
When Paxman compares Alex Salmond to Robert Mugabe, he insults everyone who voted for him. And DonMc, I do get out plenty.
I agree entirely. Since when is it acceptable to insult the interviewee?
Quoting Saltire Groppenslosh:
I am one who still pays for his TV licence and to have Paxman who I pay for come into my living room as it were and insult the First Minister of Scotland in this way is a slap in the face that you shouldn't accept quite so easy. You're damn right I complained. I used the telephone and asked for a written reply because that will take up extra time, effort and money. I think that the BBC are being a bit disingenuous about the number of complaints.
I only hope that more complain in teh future if the numbers were this low. Don't let them get away with it because if you do, people like Paxman will sink lower the next time.
I suspect the Beeb in London has already briefed everyone handling complaints: "if it's from Jockland, here are the standard template replies to use; otherwise, we *know* there'll be loads of complaints. Don't waste time on them: ignore as far as possible"
It's like they used to say on Rowan & Martin's Laugh In sketches: "We're the phone company, ma'am. We don't have to care"
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2012-01-26 09:01
Saltire. These are just opening skirmishes, much much worse is to come from the hysterical BBC. Mr. Salmond threatens their future despite them dreaming about a Charter extending beyond referendum day ?.
The BBC are showing every day just what a state sponsored broadcaster can do for balance and democracy. If we were to get rid of the BBC on the end on the union why oh why would Scotland wish to replicate a state broadcaster ?. Just as religion has no place in politics so should broadcasting have no place.
The BBC are showing every day just what a state sponsored broadcaster can do for balance and democracy. If we were to get rid of the BBC on the end on the union why oh why would Scotland wish to replicate a state broadcaster ?. Just as religion has no place in politics so should broadcasting have no place.
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2012-01-26 09:15
DonMc, while I agree with you up to a point there is an unwritten code which doesn't allow comparisons of elected leaders to the Nazis, or those of their ilk. We, as Nationalists, are right to complain. To let it go unmentioned does our cause no good, as its effects are to our advantage. That's politics.
The flip side is that we WANT interviews like this as it brings support for us. So yes, make some noise about it, but not too much...
The flip side is that we WANT interviews like this as it brings support for us. So yes, make some noise about it, but not too much...
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2012-01-26 09:21
Whilst I agree that this is typical Paxman, we've seen it before, my concern is that it sets the tone for future interviews and debates. If this becomes the accepted, being able to reference one party with a dictator and a regime with, let's say, questionable moral and ethical values - then where does that lead for the future debates/interviews ?
The BBC are also supposed to provide a platform for this referendum, fair enough they may have done quite well with last night's big debate, but that a drop in the ocean compared to the number of times they have produced utter rubbish that misleads and demeans.
Yes, it may well gets bums on seats or get a few more SNP memberships, but it's a tired, tawdry, rather pathetic way of conducting an interview.
No wonder less people take an interest in politics nowadays.
The BBC are also supposed to provide a platform for this referendum, fair enough they may have done quite well with last night's big debate, but that a drop in the ocean compared to the number of times they have produced utter rubbish that misleads and demeans.
Yes, it may well gets bums on seats or get a few more SNP memberships, but it's a tired, tawdry, rather pathetic way of conducting an interview.
No wonder less people take an interest in politics nowadays.
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2012-01-26 09:30
Hence Alex Salmond rebuttal when asked a question re BBC at the international press conference yesterday.
Salmond is asked what he thinks about Jeremy Paxman and the role of the BBC.
"I think Jeremy Paxman is a fine interviewer and a fine recruiter for the SNP," he says.
Salmond also says it's a poor time for the BBC to be cutting back on its Scottish politics coverage. "But no complaints about Jeremy Paxman."
My sides were sore laughing when I read it.
PAXO FOR CHIEF UNIONIST ADVISOR & SPIN DOCTOR, and an hour long programme every week at peak viewing time where he is joined by Wallace, Forsyth, Curran and Darling to talk up the Unionist case. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Salmond is asked what he thinks about Jeremy Paxman and the role of the BBC.
"I think Jeremy Paxman is a fine interviewer and a fine recruiter for the SNP," he says.
Salmond also says it's a poor time for the BBC to be cutting back on its Scottish politics coverage. "But no complaints about Jeremy Paxman."
My sides were sore laughing when I read it.
PAXO FOR CHIEF UNIONIST ADVISOR & SPIN DOCTOR, and an hour long programme every week at peak viewing time where he is joined by Wallace, Forsyth, Curran and Darling to talk up the Unionist case. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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2012-01-26 09:35
The back ground of yesterday's debate was horrible. I'd prefer them to skip the laser display board the next time.
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2012-01-26 09:41
Quoting wee folding bike:
You should have tried being in the audience. Migraine inducing it was!
The back ground of yesterday's debate was horrible. I'd prefer them to skip the laser display board the next time.
You should have tried being in the audience. Migraine inducing it was!
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2012-01-26 10:10
Was it as bright and pscychedelic as it appeared? Of course on the tele each time the name straps came up they were in an abstract union flag.
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2012-01-26 10:15
Quoting Albalha:
It was. It gave the panelists a kind of haze round them. But it was shiny and I suppose that is all that matters.
Was it as bright and pscychedelic as it appeared? Of course on the tele each time the name straps came up they were in an abstract union flag.
It was. It gave the panelists a kind of haze round them. But it was shiny and I suppose that is all that matters.
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2012-01-26 10:24
Yes, kind of like lots of milk bottle tops stuck on a lighting board, somewhere between early Dr Who and Barbarella.
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2012-01-26 16:14
Quoting Jester:
No wonder Gina, the BBC floor manager, said if you feel ill then let one of the floor handlers know. That bloody background was giving me a sore head. The participation form should also ask if you are an epileptic. They need to dump it before the next Big Debate show. This isn't the X-Factor.
Quoting wee folding bike:The back ground of yesterday's debate was horrible. I'd prefer them to skip the laser display board the next time.
You should have tried being in the audience. Migraine inducing it was!
No wonder Gina, the BBC floor manager, said if you feel ill then let one of the floor handlers know. That bloody background was giving me a sore head. The participation form should also ask if you are an epileptic. They need to dump it before the next Big Debate show. This isn't the X-Factor.
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2012-01-26 09:46
Paxo is there to rattle cages, burst bubbles and incite controversy. A journo shock jock looking to upset the interviewee and shake out headline response. The real heavyweights ask a question and let the full answer create the image for the viewer. Part of Paxo's fairly successful technique is the constant interruption, answering his own question and full theatrical use of a generally cynical and sarcastic demeanour.
The other part is that he is a very bright interviewer who sometimes (depending on mood) slips in the right question, getting answers the heavyweights can't elicit with pliars, a battery and a wet sponge.
Best bet is to let him act like the overt superior school bully that he is and recruit another 10,000 votes for us. He's done a grand job so far. :0)
The other part is that he is a very bright interviewer who sometimes (depending on mood) slips in the right question, getting answers the heavyweights can't elicit with pliars, a battery and a wet sponge.
Best bet is to let him act like the overt superior school bully that he is and recruit another 10,000 votes for us. He's done a grand job so far. :0)
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2012-01-26 09:57
Thats a reasoned point Mac, and i would go along with it....
...until the night before polling day when conducting an interview with AS, Paxman tells him a new poll just published has him losing the vote. The following day the SNP lose the vote by a couple of points.
How would you feel then ?
It'll never happen you say ? Well not according to the above story. It seems using false facts is already on the agenda of BBC tactics.
So I think the SNP have to restrict the Paxman interviews, and certainly don't have any near the day itself because it will be a platform for the BBC to say what they want.
...until the night before polling day when conducting an interview with AS, Paxman tells him a new poll just published has him losing the vote. The following day the SNP lose the vote by a couple of points.
How would you feel then ?
It'll never happen you say ? Well not according to the above story. It seems using false facts is already on the agenda of BBC tactics.
So I think the SNP have to restrict the Paxman interviews, and certainly don't have any near the day itself because it will be a platform for the BBC to say what they want.
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2012-01-26 10:23
I'd agree with restricting the Paxo interviews as well. It doesn't look good to have him yakkin' down his nose to our representatives .
But TF whether its Paxo or not on the night before that referendum, there will be any and every form of false report, poll, lie and myth peddled on every form of communication known to man including tribal log thumping. If folk haven't made their mind up by that point or are willing to be swayed by a throwaway sarcastic line at the last minute, then there's not a lot we can do about that, short of a mysterious power outage affecting all of Scotland on the night. :0)
But TF whether its Paxo or not on the night before that referendum, there will be any and every form of false report, poll, lie and myth peddled on every form of communication known to man including tribal log thumping. If folk haven't made their mind up by that point or are willing to be swayed by a throwaway sarcastic line at the last minute, then there's not a lot we can do about that, short of a mysterious power outage affecting all of Scotland on the night. :0)
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2012-01-26 09:59
It came to my notice that Paxman is paid £800,000 p.a. including University Challenge of Licence payers money,or charity as he obviousloy thinks it is. Can we have more paylips showing such as Blubber and Glenn Campbell and Jackie Bird and McQuarrie DImblebey et al,including their pension deals?I am still in shock at the £6m they gave that waster J Ross;.
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2012-01-26 10:03
I am reminded of just north of Zimbabwe in Zambia, DR Kenneth Kaunda was accused by the Americans of running a one party state.His response is vary apposite,He said ."Yes just like America, They have 2 of everything" and so it is with our neighbours down south .They now have at least three tory parties
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2012-01-26 10:04
Call Kaye on this morning. Liberals, Tories and new tories (labour) set against greens and SNP. unionist parties want a yes / no question so should be 50/50 split rather than current bias.
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2012-01-26 10:14
I'm not much of a fan of the programme but the good thing coming out of it imo are the lists of people's concerns, would be good to have 'your 100 questions answered' booklet and distribute them everywhere.
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2012-01-26 10:09
How long after the SNP refused point blank to offer the BBC any interviews whatsoever. live or otherwise, would it take for the penny to drop, not at the BBC but with the other broadcast media ?. A day or two ?.
The SNP should immediately adopt a Rangers moment and if the BBC refuesed to change, simply forget them, forever !.
The SNP should immediately adopt a Rangers moment and if the BBC refuesed to change, simply forget them, forever !.
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2012-01-26 10:47
When are the SDA and other minor parties going to get on the panel and get their say?
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2012-01-26 10:20
Fed up with the BBC and media in general air brushing / editing out parts of interviews that matter.
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2012-01-26 10:36
I wonder if the Electoral Commission, and I expect it to a bit different from what is being touted just now, will have a remit to ensure that the State media will be neutral?
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2012-01-26 12:05
O/T
More robbery and subterfuge.
Sky news is claiming this morning that the cost of the 2012 Olympics has escalated from about £9b to to £12b, but over all, when everything is taken into account, it could be as high as £24b!
The Sky investigator has been having trouble getting definitive figures, or even what the attribution of certain monies are to which government departments. Of course Boris thinks everything is ok.
It sounds like PFI all over again where it was kept off the accounts to hide it from the public.
More robbery and subterfuge.
Sky news is claiming this morning that the cost of the 2012 Olympics has escalated from about £9b to to £12b, but over all, when everything is taken into account, it could be as high as £24b!
The Sky investigator has been having trouble getting definitive figures, or even what the attribution of certain monies are to which government departments. Of course Boris thinks everything is ok.
It sounds like PFI all over again where it was kept off the accounts to hide it from the public.
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2012-01-26 13:58
Quoting J Wil:
And yet on last nights debate the point was made that £10 million on a referendum is a waste of money in such financially difficult times.
O/T
More robbery and subterfuge.
Sky news is claiming this morning that the cost of the 2012 Olympics has escalated from about £9b to to £12b, but over all, when eveything is taken into account, it could be as high as £24b!
The Sky investigator has been having trouble getting definitive figures, or even what the attribution of certain monies are to which government departments. Of course Boris thinks everything is ok.
It sounds like PFI all over again where it was kept off the accounts to hide it from the public.
And yet on last nights debate the point was made that £10 million on a referendum is a waste of money in such financially difficult times.
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2012-01-26 12:25
It is not the insults and ridiculous suggestions by Paxman that Iam concerned about.As someone has already commented,that probably damages the unionist position,both at home,and internationally .What annoys me is an interview style that continually interrupts and talks over an interviewee,bef ore he has a chance to anser the question.Paxman must decide whether his programme is about serious deb ate,or whether it is just enrertainment.
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2012-01-26 12:44
Ach- Paxman's come a long way since acting as Esther Random's sidekick. He's just like the other jeremy - an entertainer- more to be pitied than scorned. He'll be suggesting that AS should be taken out and shot in front of his family next..
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2012-01-26 13:10
Quoting Suomi:
Thats right Suomi and they do this in Westminster also.
They dont want the debate to be heard.
Media bias, or rather control, is a huge problem, not just for the SNP but for Scotland. Often wondered why we have to wait till after 11:30 pm to see any problems of Scottish music, language or culture.
I ve travelled all over Finland, nice country, I loved Ivalo and Oulu, which part you from?
It is not the insults and ridiculous suggestions by Paxman that Iam concerned about.As someone has already commented,that probably damages the unionist position,both at home,and internationally .What annoys me is an interview style that continually interrupts and talks over an interviewee,bef ore he has a chance to anser the question.Paxman must decide whether his programme is about serious deb ate,or whether it is just enrertainment.
Thats right Suomi and they do this in Westminster also.
They dont want the debate to be heard.
Media bias, or rather control, is a huge problem, not just for the SNP but for Scotland. Often wondered why we have to wait till after 11:30 pm to see any problems of Scottish music, language or culture.
I ve travelled all over Finland, nice country, I loved Ivalo and Oulu, which part you from?
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2012-01-26 13:17
Lupus. There are those within political circles and without who have serious doubts regarding the veracity and independence of the Electoral Commission and their potentially wholesome committment to a fair election process.
There is a way to ensure however that such fairness is guaranteed and preparations are underway by some to ensure that this is the case. Expect to hear more on this soon.
There is a way to ensure however that such fairness is guaranteed and preparations are underway by some to ensure that this is the case. Expect to hear more on this soon.
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2012-01-26 14:00
If I heard right, Jeremy Paxman made a comment about Ireland not paying the BBC Licence Tax.
The discussion was about the UK.
So I would assume he meant N. Ireland which is still part of the UK.
Surprised no one is discussing this.
The discussion was about the UK.
So I would assume he meant N. Ireland which is still part of the UK.
Surprised no one is discussing this.
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2012-01-26 14:01
The one thing we need to get sorted is the 3:1 advantage that BBC Scotland always gives the Unionists. Also I have noticed recently another tendency and that is where there is an SNP Governement statement followed by the three Unionist parties' spokesmen. Surely there should also be an opportunity for an SNP spokesman to react and support the Goverment's position. This is apart altogether from the usual video link nonsense. The SNP Media Team have some hard thinking and negotiating to do.
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2012-01-26 14:58
Is there a way to find out how many complaints BBC Scotland are receiving about biased journalism? It would be useful to know just how many complaints they get and whether they just ignore them all.
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2012-01-26 14:56
Absolutely Edulis! As I said above ; anybody who finds Paxmans actions acceptable needs rewiring, however, the 3:1 question requires firm action by the SNP leadership to bring forth a straightforward policy that all their spokespersons have to follow.
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2012-01-26 17:16
Quote:
Since when was Paxman a "political operator"? He's a TV presenter. Like Timmy Mallet. But without Mallet's personality and professional standards.
A BBC spokesman defended Mr Paxman and said: “This was a good natured exchange between two experienced political operators...
Since when was Paxman a "political operator"? He's a TV presenter. Like Timmy Mallet. But without Mallet's personality and professional standards.
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2012-01-26 18:05
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Mr Paxman does not have to tease out an answer. All he needs to do is ask a direct question and Mr Salmond would have answered - and in doing so got his point and information over to the watching audience. And it is that last point that Mr Paxman and the BBC do not want. Thus the style of interviewing adopted by Mr Paxman and others. Constant interruption and ridiculous comparisons so that the response is lost.
As to the comparison to Mr Mugabe it may, in this instance, have garnered some support for the cause BUT constant repetition will lead people to wonder if there is some truth in it.
much of Mr paxman's reputation as an interviewer rests on his interview with the Tory Minister in which he repeated the same question 14 times. But he admitted he did so because he had actually run out of questions! This suggests that he is not someone who prepares for an interview to any great extent.
it is of note that even Mr McWhirter mentioned this interview in his column in today's Herald - and he was not complimenting Mr Paxman.
A BBC spokesman defended Mr Paxman and said: “This was a good natured exchange between two experienced political operators who often spar with one another. Jeremy’s reference was made within this context.
“While the comparison was not serious, he was attempting to tease out details of an independent Scotland and how politically progressive it could be.”
Mr Paxman does not have to tease out an answer. All he needs to do is ask a direct question and Mr Salmond would have answered - and in doing so got his point and information over to the watching audience. And it is that last point that Mr Paxman and the BBC do not want. Thus the style of interviewing adopted by Mr Paxman and others. Constant interruption and ridiculous comparisons so that the response is lost.
As to the comparison to Mr Mugabe it may, in this instance, have garnered some support for the cause BUT constant repetition will lead people to wonder if there is some truth in it.
much of Mr paxman's reputation as an interviewer rests on his interview with the Tory Minister in which he repeated the same question 14 times. But he admitted he did so because he had actually run out of questions! This suggests that he is not someone who prepares for an interview to any great extent.
it is of note that even Mr McWhirter mentioned this interview in his column in today's Herald - and he was not complimenting Mr Paxman.
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2012-01-26 18:26
Jeremy Paxman's attitude and behaviour towards Alex Salmond was appalling and cannot be condoned under any circumstances.
Everyone I spoke to today who saw the programme share my view.
I'm pleased to say that two actually said that they would now vote for independence in the referendum as a result. They had previously been quite undecided and uncommitted.
Interestingly one of them was so badly affected by what they had seen that they returned to the subject several times during the course of the day by bringing Paxman's behaviour up again in to the conversation because they were so appalled by it.
It appears that Westminster and the BBC care so little for Scotland these days that anything goes.
There is absolutely no doubt that this is working against them and playing right into the hands of the SNP and the Yes to independence camp.
Everyone I spoke to today who saw the programme share my view.
I'm pleased to say that two actually said that they would now vote for independence in the referendum as a result. They had previously been quite undecided and uncommitted.
Interestingly one of them was so badly affected by what they had seen that they returned to the subject several times during the course of the day by bringing Paxman's behaviour up again in to the conversation because they were so appalled by it.
It appears that Westminster and the BBC care so little for Scotland these days that anything goes.
There is absolutely no doubt that this is working against them and playing right into the hands of the SNP and the Yes to independence camp.
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2012-01-26 21:00
The reaction to this interview has been nothing short of embarrassing. What is the point in sending off all those emails of complaint to the BBC just for them to be ignored and then have them issuing a humiliating statement?
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2012-01-26 21:43
It was fairly clear to me that both AS and JP enjoyed the debate and sparing off each other. Politics is a full contact sport for adults after all.
I hope the complainers were not the same SNP supports who sling insults as every non nationalist to put their opinion across in news, media or forum like this.
That would be deeply hypocritical.
I hope the complainers were not the same SNP supports who sling insults as every non nationalist to put their opinion across in news, media or forum like this.
That would be deeply hypocritical.
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2012-01-26 22:23
It would be if those same SNP supporters were also State broadcasters with a duty of impartiality. I'm not entirely convinced any of them are.
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2012-01-26 22:38
When I watch Paxo, his manner and surliness is pretty seem consistent regardless of who ever it is he is interviewing. That seems impartial to me.
Some of Salmond's fans comes across to me like football fan who only ever thinks that referees' decisions goes against them.
I would just prefer the debate to focus on the arguments for and against and the joy of politics, rather then focusing on crying foul at any perceived slight.
Some of Salmond's fans comes across to me like football fan who only ever thinks that referees' decisions goes against them.
I would just prefer the debate to focus on the arguments for and against and the joy of politics, rather then focusing on crying foul at any perceived slight.
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2012-01-26 22:53
do you think Paxman focused on the arguments.
I'm not annoyed about the slur, I'm furious at the standard of the interview. I pay my license fee for that? Did anyone watch that interview and come away any the wiser?
I'm not annoyed about the slur, I'm furious at the standard of the interview. I pay my license fee for that? Did anyone watch that interview and come away any the wiser?
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2012-01-26 23:40
I would agree with you on that, but I think was aimed at the UK market, an introduction to and to give a sense of AS the man (shrewd, quick witted).
Don't think there has been any real debate or data presented yet, each side chucking about broad statements of intent, to see what sticks with the electorate.
Don't think there has been any real debate or data presented yet, each side chucking about broad statements of intent, to see what sticks with the electorate.
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2012-01-27 19:53
Quoting gfaetheblock:
No, it is serious stuff for serious people not a game switch to BB could get a kick out of that
It was fairly clear to me that both AS and JP enjoyed the debate and sparing off each other. Politics is a full contact sport for adults after all.
I hope the complainers were not the same SNP supports who sling insults as every non nationalist to put their opinion across in news, media or forum like this.
That would be deeply hypocritical.
No, it is serious stuff for serious people not a game switch to BB could get a kick out of that
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2012-01-26 22:18
These interviews show up the presenters like paxo however they serve to reinforce that independence is somehow wrong or extreme to the average uncertain viewer.
Whilst I would not advocate wholly having a Rangers moment with BBC, I certainly think they need to reduce the opportunties these presenters have. The continual 3 unionists v 1 indy is designed to reinforce and attack indpendence. The overall affect is considerable in media terms particularly given the timescale.
Whilst I would not advocate wholly having a Rangers moment with BBC, I certainly think they need to reduce the opportunties these presenters have. The continual 3 unionists v 1 indy is designed to reinforce and attack indpendence. The overall affect is considerable in media terms particularly given the timescale.
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2012-01-26 23:51
Quoting snowthistle:
Spot on snowthistle, that sums it up quite nicely.
That said, I have heard a lot of Unionists say the felt that Paxo had over stepped the mark. The First Minister dealt with it so well though.
I enjoyed one of the adverts at the side of this article which popped up briefly,it was a phone company advertising cheap calls to Zimbabwe.
do you think Paxman focused on the arguments.
I'm not annoyed about the slur, I'm furious at the standard of the interview. I pay my license fee for that? Did anyone watch that interview and come away any the wiser?
Spot on snowthistle, that sums it up quite nicely.
That said, I have heard a lot of Unionists say the felt that Paxo had over stepped the mark. The First Minister dealt with it so well though.
I enjoyed one of the adverts at the side of this article which popped up briefly,it was a phone company advertising cheap calls to Zimbabwe.
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2012-01-26 23:52
I watched the Paxman interview and at first I was inclined to be angry at what I saw as his rudeness, stupid loaded questions and constant interruptions. But then I noticed Alex Salmond was giving as good as he was getting and seemed to be enjoying himself, and then I saw Paxman also seemed to be treating the "interview" as though the two were taking part in a knockabout comedy sketch. At the finish, the two men genuinely seemed to exchange an affable "good night". To paraphrase Lard Fooks, I think they were doing it deliberately
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2012-01-27 00:24
Jeremy paxman is supposed to be a serious journalist, famed for ruthlessly prising the truth from evasive politicians. How his silly rudeness was supposed to enlighten anybody is a mystery. I think he thought for a minute he was presenting Top Gear, which might be a better fit for him at this stage in his career.
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2012-01-27 09:59
I liked Paxmans "you think the BBBC is a charity?"
No Mr Paxman ,with three times the salary of the P.M, I think its a biased rip off full of self congratulatory ,arrogant ,opinionated oafs with little talent and little awareness!
P.S Hope you enjoy your next trout fishing holiday in Scotland - might be advisable to wear a disguise though!
No Mr Paxman ,with three times the salary of the P.M, I think its a biased rip off full of self congratulatory ,arrogant ,opinionated oafs with little talent and little awareness!
P.S Hope you enjoy your next trout fishing holiday in Scotland - might be advisable to wear a disguise though!
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2012-01-31 20:55
Sorry to dig up this "old" comment thread, but it's to do with the BBC.
I just rewatched/relistened to the Scottish Parliamnet's Education and Culture Committee's round table discussion on Scottish broadcasting, on 24 Jan 2012 (available online on BBC Democracy Live or Holyrood TV).
John Boothman, head of news and current affairs at BBC Scotland, was asked a fairly few questions but the man was as slippery as an eel. Talking about "quality over quantity" and then saying a certain (lower-quality) radio programme will get even more airtime (at the expence of the best political programme in Scotland, now being axed).
I was glad to see that the SNP members of the committee didn't bay like a pack of hounds for BBC's blood (even though they have fair reason) or even call the BBC's impartiality into question. Well, they have everything to win when the BBC's lies and bias are exposed.
It was Liam MacArthur, the Orkeny LibDem MSP, who really raised the question, asked a couple of tough questions about BBC impartiality. Didn't get any straight answer from the slippery, slithery BBC character, though.
In the same round table discussion, Ian McWrither (journalist, mostly of the Herald) really slagged all Scottish MSM for not understanding that Scotland is undergoing profound change, and not reporting on it. He got quite passionate about it, great viewing.
I just rewatched/relistened to the Scottish Parliamnet's Education and Culture Committee's round table discussion on Scottish broadcasting, on 24 Jan 2012 (available online on BBC Democracy Live or Holyrood TV).
John Boothman, head of news and current affairs at BBC Scotland, was asked a fairly few questions but the man was as slippery as an eel. Talking about "quality over quantity" and then saying a certain (lower-quality) radio programme will get even more airtime (at the expence of the best political programme in Scotland, now being axed).
I was glad to see that the SNP members of the committee didn't bay like a pack of hounds for BBC's blood (even though they have fair reason) or even call the BBC's impartiality into question. Well, they have everything to win when the BBC's lies and bias are exposed.
It was Liam MacArthur, the Orkeny LibDem MSP, who really raised the question, asked a couple of tough questions about BBC impartiality. Didn't get any straight answer from the slippery, slithery BBC character, though.
In the same round table discussion, Ian McWrither (journalist, mostly of the Herald) really slagged all Scottish MSM for not understanding that Scotland is undergoing profound change, and not reporting on it. He got quite passionate about it, great viewing.
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