It was national outrage day last Friday, the anniversary of the compassionate release of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi was marked by BBC Scotland with a marathon broadcast – it was the day that ‘Aunty’ went tabloid.

Mr Megrahi has stubbornly refused to die on schedule and boy did the state broadcaster and the rest of what passes for a media in Scotland let us know it.

BBC Scotland lost what had remained of its composure, and arguably its reputation, as it joined in the mass hysteria that had engulfed most of the Scottish media (The Herald was surprisingly sober).  Actually, BBC Scotland didn’t just join the hysteria, the state broadcaster appeared to be at the vanguard.

Its flagship morning radio programme ‘Good Morning Scotland’ morphed into ‘Radio Outrage’ for the day as presenter after presenter, bulletin after bulletin told us every fifteen minutes or so how outraged we all were at the release of Megrahi and his refusal to die.

In protest at Megrahi’s unseemly desire to live, BBC Scotland adopted the persona of an annoyed tabloid newspaper.  What we witnessed in return for paying our licence fee wasn’t a national outpouring of grief for the victims of Pan-Am 103, it was a media inspired outpouring of bile.

Here is a compressed review of what transpired on ‘Radio Outrage':

And so it went on throughout the day with the same phrases trotted out ad-nauseum.  If there was a story to tell it would have been rendered meaningless through repetition as this dripping tap simply refused to abate.

One of the many low points included a very bitter Murdo Fraser dredging up the Moors Murderer Ian Brady along with Harold Shipman and Thomas Hamilton as he encouraged listeners to join in the hysteria fest that had replaced that day’s news.  Given the increasing doubt over Mr Megrahi’s guilt perhaps the name Mr Fraser ought to have cited as a comparison was one Oscar Slater.

The day’s broadcast however wasn’t about educating or informing the viewer it was about saturating their minds with a constant stream of negative sound-bites.

And so it was that Murdo Fraser was joined by Lib Dem Mike Rumbles and Labour’s Iain Gray in this choreographed Unionist / media frenzy.

Here are the interviews with Mr Fraser, Mr Rumbles and Mr Gray:

If you thought that anyone with an opinion on his issue was to be placed in front of a BBC microphone you couldn’t be more wrong, for there was no mention of Labour MP Diane Abbott who only the day before had issued a statement saying she supported Kenny MacAskill’s decision.

Alongside Ms Abbott on BBC Scotland's 'Most Unwanted List' was Labour MSP Dr Richard Simpson who had admitted that he too had no objection to Megrahi's release in principle, albeit conditional.

The BBC did relent though and offered a spot to First Minister Alex Salmond:

Gary Robertson omitted to ask Mr Salmond why the pub know-all from down the road had not been consulted over the medical advice given to Kenny MacAskill, poor show Gary.

So the day wore on and it became increasingly clear that the broadcasts were no more than a compilation of the half truths, innuendo and misinformation that have pockmarked the media coverage of the Al Megrahi issue from the day he was released.

As a kind of tribute to the BBC’s coverage we at Newsnet Scotland have put together our own little compilation that we hope you will appreciate:

Did you spot Glenn Campbell’s new catchphrase?  The man who coined the term ‘Toast of Tripoli’ to describe Kenny MacAskill decided that the term 'a year' was not dramatic enough to apply to Megrahi's refusal to die - step forward 'four times over'.  Mr Campbell is a good TV presenter and studio anchor, however his fondness for ham acting and partisan emphasis is becoming very tiresome.  Complaints from disgruntled viewers may well increase by ‘a factor of four’ if it continues.

By the end of ‘Outrage Day’ the TV and radio bombardment had reduced the nation’s listeners and viewers to a state of zombied paralysis – we were wide eyed and numb.

However, bad as it was, BBC Scotland’s offering was nowhere near as offensive as one UK wide BBC radio programme.  It wins the award for being the biggest plook on the once proud face of the BBC as a result of one of the worst displays of anti Scottish xenophobia and borderline racism ever broadcast by a modern day broadcaster.

Ladies and gentlemen we give you ‘Any Questions’:

If you found this article interesting why not make a small contribution in order to help keep the site going - see the paypal button on the right.

newsnetscotland.com

Comments  

 
# Hearthammer 2010-08-23 07:26
Dod you really expect anything else from the Unionist BBC?
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-23 07:35
As I have said, many times before. The Scottish Gov. should do something about the BBBC’s anti SNP rhetoric now!
Even at the very least, calling a press conference to highlight their biased views.
 
 
# oldfoggie 2010-08-23 12:28
It was not just the BBC, I timed the STV version of events and they ran the item for 14 minutes the BBC were about 7 Minutes, and no I am not condoning what the did I am as angry as you and the rest of us fair minded people.
 
 
# chiefy1724 2010-08-23 07:40
Dear Online Ed

The Ministry of Truth (Northern Airstrip One Branch)is pleased to acknowledge your viewpoint. You have been determined as an enemy of the people and your actions directly contradictory to the principles of Ingsoc.

In order to assist the Ministry of Truth (Northern Airstrip One Branch) in unbiased examnination and politically neutral examination of your complaint, please remain by your televisor as representatives from the Thought Police will be arriving Shortly to encourage you in examination of your Thoughtcrime.

The Ministry of Truth (Northern Airstrip One Branch) would like to remind you that

War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery
and
Glen Campbell is a talented, skilled and unbiased Political Journalist
 
 
# CapnAndy 2010-08-23 08:38
ThankYou Chiefy1724.
The guys in the adjacent cabins are now wondering why I'm screaming with laughter. You just cheered up my day.
 
 
# spagan 2010-08-23 07:53
Typical Westminster-centric, imperialistic bombast.
You would have heard similar anti-Jewish bile in the 40s, anti-Commy bile in the 50s, anti-Caribbean bile in the 60s, anti-Trades Unionist bile in the 70s, anti-Pakistani bile in the 80s, anti-Islamic bile in the 90s.
I presume that Auntie BBC must think its time to turn the bile our way?
Slainte Mhor
 
 
# sid 2010-08-23 08:02
morning , in these times of 24 hour news gathering,news sharing , satellite links etc etc etc It seems that not one news organisation from the USA or Indeed the UK even tried to get an interview with Mr Megrahi or indeed anyone from Lybia at this important anniversary . I wonder why? Am I the only person that wonders why that might be? Sid
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 08:26
All that media outrage was completely wasted on Joe Public, who has already decided that Megrahi is innocent, the Americans are arrogant bullies, the BBC are biased, the SNP were correct to release Megrahi, Iain Gray is a numpty and that they are bored witless with the whole farce.

The media got it badly wrong on this one, badly wrong. Siding with contrived American anger blew up in their faces. I'm sure the editors will be checking the wreckage for survivors.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 08:50
Truely magnificent summary Mac.
 
 
# springy 2010-08-23 08:31
Here's a wee anecdote that might gladden the hearts.

Speaking to a non politico, and I mean rabidly non politico, I was asked why the SNP weren't combatting the Megrahi "rubbish" that is being put about by our media.

The important thing for me was that this person had recognised the propaganda for what it was. How many others have also started to notice I wonder?
 
 
# hektorsmum 2010-08-23 08:47
Time Auntie recognised it isn't working, I spent the weekend researching the Megrahi story elsewhere and found that apart from a few Americans who think they know everything, the majority in the United Kingdom are right behind the Scottish Government. Many in England would be more than happy to vote for Alex Salmond if he were able to stand in their constituencies.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-23 08:48
springy,

I have also noticed that the public are more aware of the propaganda coming out of the MSM.
Maybe with the advent of online media and website forums, where people can express their views, has helped break the stranglehold/daily propaganda of the MSM.
I hope!
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-23 09:19
Please tell me who the ignorant bombastic racists were on the last soundbite from Any Questions.
I have not heard such anti Scottish racist remarks since Kelvin McKenzie on BBC's Question Time.
 
 
# spagan 2010-08-23 09:20
scotlandhelplin e@equalityhuman rights.com

Decided to ask the Equality and Human Rights Commission to investigate the comments made by Baroness Deech.
Uncertain of what response I'll get!
Slainte Mhor
 
 
# birnie 2010-08-23 09:22
I have e-mailed the odious Douglas Murray of Any Questions notoriety requesting a public apology for his insulting, ignorant and arrogant diatribe. Thus far, no reply from the Eton- and Oxford-educated sneering "author and journalist". He is Director of an organisation called "Social Cohesion", would you believe. I urge as many as possible to register their contempt with him at douglasmurray@s ocialcohesion.
 
 
# rgweir 2010-08-23 09:23
The first thing that needs to be done is the snp growing a pair,without that we would be wasting our time.
 
 
# Old Smokey 2010-08-23 09:27
Ive just listened to the utter dross from 'Any Questions' and the utterings of Douglas Murray, director of the Centre for Social Cohesion and Ruth Deech, Chairman of the Bar Standards Board. Not sure which was the worse, both are just out and out racists. Thoroughly disgusting pair.
Also interesting was host Eddie Mair's leading questions
 
 
# scotnotbrit 2010-08-23 09:33
many front organisations are almost completely funded by a certain "middle eastern" (sic) "governments"
obviouxly i couldnt name them , but the name that some of them operate under are almost diametrically the opposite of whats in the tin

.edit "middle eastern governments" should read government , the clue was in the "sic" , the sick bag of the Southern Med
 
 
# Old Smokey 2010-08-23 09:35
Is there any point of complaining about the racial slurs broadcast on 'Any Questions'?
And if there is who too?
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 09:54
If you want to express your outrage at the racist and xenophobic remarks expressed by Douglas Murray and Ruth Deech in lecturing Scots on compassion on the BBC's Any Questions.

Then here are the following contacts.


Eddie Mair (who allowed the Scots as a nation to be slandered):

www.bbc.co.uk/.../contact

.uk


Ruth Deech (pomposity bar none):

contactus@barst andardsboard.org.uk

Ethics@BarCounc il.org.uk


Douglas Murray (islamophobe):

www.socialcohesion.co.uk/.../

mail@socialcohe sion.co.uk
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-23 10:09
Well one good thing about all this nonsense....its spurred me into joining the SNP ! I am now a member and ready to help in the fight for our independence.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 16:31
And a warm welcome to you.
 
 
# Caadfael 2011-03-02 16:04
Aye, a somewhat belated welcome to the clan!
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 10:09
If you want to make a direct comment to Eddie Mair, then the PM blog is a good place to start.

bbc.co.uk/.../...

Interesting that Eddie confuses Britishness with Englishness.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-23 10:45
Eddie is a disappointment. It seems that he is just another of those sycophants who will pander to the BBC agenda rather than stick up for principles of fairness and honesty, or for his country's reputation. He is a news anchorman on Radio 4 don't you know. He can't do anything to jeopardise that can he?

What all this anti-SNP, anti-Scotland stuff means is that they (them down south) don't want to lose Scotland from the union, although it looks that they are trying hard to do so.
 
 
# Vakov2000 2010-08-24 17:55
Actually I think Englishness and Britishness are in fact one and the same. Personally I'm all for Scottishness!
 
 
# roger1 2011-02-23 01:43
i personaly dont think those" horrible" people deserve a response,ruth who ? and who really cares what that vile woman thinks and as for social cohesion... haha theres a joke run by a joke
 
 
# john__ 2010-08-23 10:22
Was it my imagination or was there a brief summary of an interview with Megrahi on the BBC radio Scotland this morning. It must have been just after half 7 as I was mostly still asleep.
I have not seen or heard anything about this since. but in brief summary, Megrahi was propped up in bed and surrounded by family. He was only able to say a couple of words. There was also comment from AS, but can't remember the details.

If I was dreaming it was a really wierd dream.

John
 
 
# john__ 2010-08-23 10:46
OK, It wasn't a dream. There was an interview by the daily mail of all newspapers. If you can read through their bile then it is quite interesting:
accessinterviews.com/.../22408

John
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-23 10:24
Quite new to this website, but I am finding it increasingly addictive!

As discussed on a previous post, and mentioned by quite a few others, I believe that a focussed campaign by the people on this website, to highlight labour bias at the BBC, would be extremely effective.

At the moment, it's fantastic to see everyone taking action and writing on the comments pages of newspapers and BBC when they get the chance, also writing to complain to the BBC, but is that enough? Is there something else that could be done?
 
 
# chiefy1724 2010-08-23 10:27
Just listened to that Appaling snippet from Any Questions. Fuming ! Furious ! Blood pressure off the Scale !

Free Time during Day to be spent writing letters of complaint !

"so-called Justice Secretary", "so-called Doctor".
"Just go then"

Hey Missus, we would love to Just Go.

That closing remark was a beauty though. " I love the Highlands...."

Showing my age but almost as bad as "But your beer is good. Your Tartan Special is Good".

The Party and the Government have to stand up and start challenging this.

It's Time.
 
 
# chiefy1724 2010-08-23 10:39
Additional

Just went to the PM Blog to start ranting.

The ever-fragrant Ms Renton may wish to know that I have located Mrs McGlumpherty's Cat.

bbc.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 10:38
For those who wish to complain

I have transcribed almost all the relevant parts. I have made no misleading omissions, but the punctuation is my own - just to make it easier to read. I have included the comments from the end of the section (which are not in the sound clip above, but on iplayer)


as follows;

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT.

Female panellist (Ruth Deech)
Time into the programme 39:15

I'm fed up with this Scottish waving of nationalism when it suits them. Alright, they're devolved, but I think they did this just to show the rest of us oh, that we are independent, we make our own decisions, and it's been very embaressing for the rest of us. And it started me thinking along these lines, if Scotland wants to be independent, ok, be my guest, go ahead, do what you want and [Applause] please take back with you all the Scottish politicians - there's so many of them - you know- starting with Blair and Brown and Campbell, take them all back, and off you go, and go off on your own, because actually, we're all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons, and if they want to show how independent they are, ok, thank you and goodbye.

Douglas Murray

I agree with that. First of all, Megrahi should have died in prison, no doubt about it, eh, and, eh, the advice of the alleged doctors is galling here because Kenny MacAskill, the so-called Scottish Justice Secretary, not very much to do if you're the Scottish justice secretary, in a devolved, eh,eh,eh Scottish assembly. He could at least read the one important piece of news that's come across your desk in the last five years, em, the problem, eh, that I think, the most galling thing about this whole thing, is this pretend horrible charade of a building in Edinburgh called the Scottish Parliament and eh the horrible charade politicians who inhabit it, and who occasionally crawl out of the darkness, and explain something to the rest of us, em,as if, eh, as if we, we, we've never thought of moral questions before, I mean Kenny MacAskill and Alex Salmond, these horrible grand standing mickey mouse politicians, have been parading around and talking about unique compassion of the Scottish people, it, we are uniquely compassionate, no one else feels compassion like me, I'm feeling so compassionate at the moment I can hardly bear it [loud laughter and cheering] and, I don't know, maybe I'm half compassionate, maybe I'm half - the half- that's missing on the English side.

I think this is appalling, and the most appalling way to do politics, and, eh I, I think this is, you know, no good can come from this institution, the Scottish - eh, eh, eh, Parliament, and whilst it's there and the union continues to fragment while mini nationalists like Salmond and MacAskill are around, whilst this continues I say no good will come from it and this, this country will continue to be faced with these ridiculous figures making ridiculous pronouncements, which will embaress us all.

[Masses of loud applause]
Eddi Mahr - Maajid briefly;

Just to say for our Scottish listeners, I think you know, just to say that we do love you all [Laughter from audience AND panel members] I love the highlands

Female panel member interjects ..

They're not listening anymore [Laughter panel and audience]

Male panel member continues..

They just turned off. No I just wanted to add something, I think there does need to be a full enquiry into this, and I think that there needs to be an enquiry into..
Male voice interjects..

..into this programme haha [laughter] into the anti Scottish rhetoric on this programme [laughter from audience and panel], but no in the decision made by the Scottish Government, but also the involvement of generally of the UK, and it's not just the Scots but everyone else as well.

END of TRANSCRIPT.

I hope this helps, but I accept NO responsibility if I've made a mistake, and you should check with the recordings that what I have here is correct.

Maybe the Newsnet team would have a look...?
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-23 17:37
I was going to spend a hangover Tuesday doing that, But looks like you've beat me to it!
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 10:40
The patronising comments at the end, really are the worst, in my opinion.
 
 
# Quinie frae Angus 2010-08-23 10:40
Thank goodness for this site...it is proving to be a really good, intelligently articulated forum for debate. So glad to see it going from strength to strength.

Small comfort I know, but I happen to know at least three very senior figures at BBC Scotland (two of whom have now left, unfortunately) who are of the opinion that the standard of journalism at BBC Scotland is now "lamentable", "appalling" and "a joke".

I also know another senior political journo at BBC Scotland who is furious about the "Any Questions" show and is blasting about it on their Facebook page.

Like Ubinworryinmash eep, I am almost - almost - at the point of actually joining the SNP. However, having never been a member of any party before, can anyone enlighten me as to what that would actually mean? I.e. would one have to remain "on message" at every turn? I don't agree with every policy of the party, and wouldn't want to give up my ability to speak my mind on individual matters.

I do feel the need to rally round them and help them, but like other commenters on here I feel frustrated at their apparent backwardness at coming forward on a lot of this MSM-generated SNP-bashing that is going on.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 10:47
joining the SNP means they take your money.

Joke. Ok, Joke.

It simply means you are kept up to date on local campaigns, local candidates, SNP functions.

You also get a nice membership card.

I think the SNP are amongst the friendliest of all the parties, and you do not have to agree with every single policy (I don't).

The conferences (again they are entirely optional) are a good way to 'bump' into decision makers, and perhaps help to shape ideas or policy.

SNP folks are pretty easy going.

Bottom line, you choose how involved or not you become. Many people do not get actively involved, but just like to support the party.
 
 
# Quinie frae Angus 2010-08-23 10:53
Hmmmm....thanks Robert Louis. You have sold it very well!! Lol.

Ok, where do I sign?!

I'll go on the SNP website and take it from there.
 
 
# Vakov2000 2010-08-24 17:57
They are the only party to champion independence and democracy for Scotland. If we got independence then there would be parties of varying potical persuasions but all putting Scotland first not London.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 16:50
Hi Quinie.

Involvement varies from person to person and depends on things like your availability, political knowledge, ability to drop off leaflets, attend local groups etc. Take a look at the SNP web site.

I am retired, have Rheumatoid Arthritis (amongst other things) and don't get actively involved. What I do do (dodo!) is actively scour political sites and newspapers. When I see something that is plainly wrong, or in the case of Radio 4 'Any Questions', outrageous, I will post a message or raise a formal complaint. As you will have gathered, the BBC seems to think it is above reprimand. In doing so, I feel it most important to present a positive image of the SNP - as opposed to the 'Anti-English', Braveheart type sentiments felt south of the Border.

One thing I would caution against. There are many ‘Supporters’ who feel that the current SNP leadership are not active enough and that ‘we should be more aggressive’. Some visit this site regularly. I accept that they are entitled to their view, I just don't share it.

I believe in the SNP Leadership and I believe I recognise their strategy as gradualist. That does not mean I am correct though.

Hope this helps.

Brian
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-23 10:48
The above article says the broacast from Radio 4 was "...borderline racism...".

I would go much further than that.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 10:52
You are right .

It WAS racist, and quite xenophobic.
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 10:53
Any Questions revealed the Little Englander mentality amongst the metropolitian establishment.

1. Only the English can do governance.

2. Only the English can do compassion.

3. The Scots are a nation of benefit cheats, pip squeaks and non-entities (round cheering from the Birmingham audience).

After being lambasted on this radio programme we find ourselves being laughingly mocked if we felt in anyway insulted by the comments.

This xenophobic ranting was done under the roof of Harvest Fields Centre in Sutton Coldfield. A centre that boasts it is the heart of the local multi-ethnic community which provides a whole range of services including a place of worship.

Next stop for Eddie Mair and Any Questions is the Newcastle Assembly Rooms, a grand Georgian building that costs a fortune to book. Perhaps Scots can invite themselves to this venue to greet Oor Eddie.

It is ironic to note that Any Questions spends Scots licence fees money on expensive venues in order for their guests to insult Scots, Scotland and Scottishness in a stereotype fashion at every opportunity.
 
 
# Quinie frae Angus 2010-08-23 11:03
Brilliantly analysed summary, Mac. Spot on.
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 11:09
Baroness Deech (rhymes with keech) gets a wiki update.

en.wikipedia.org/.../...
 
 
# Astonished 2010-08-23 12:29
I see someone has amended the update and I suppose removed it.Could someone please put it back as I haven't read it . Thanks.


Baroness Deech's comments were racist and she should apologise.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 15:04
Astonished

Go on and select "view history" at the top right. Then click on the various revisions and click the "compare selected revisions" button.

You can see what was there.

I am disappointed this has been classed as vandalism. It is a stated fact. I wonder who DPMulligan is who is undoing this?
 
 
# Astonished 2010-08-23 17:19
Thanks for this "truth".



The removed portion was merely her rant during the radio 4 pro-union phone in. Baroness isn't ashamed of these racist comments - Is she ?
 
 
# cokynutjoe 2010-08-23 11:16
Brian Wilson, the "Mrs Mac", of Scottish politics also joined the muppet cacophony on BBC question prog' from Harris. He had at least three supporters clapping his pronouncements vigorously!
 
 
# Quinie frae Angus 2010-08-23 11:23
Lallans Peat Worrier has a superb and hilarious critique of this nasty little show on his blog:

.../any-questions-crushingly-fatuous.html#comments
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-23 11:38
It's a good article but how much notice or access will it get.
 
 
# Quinie frae Angus 2010-08-23 11:24
Sorry don't think that link has worked. But it is well worth a read.

And it is, of course, Lallands, not Lallans.
 
 
# spagan 2010-08-23 11:33
Have had a couple of comments regarding Baroness Deech's comments removed from BBC blogs. One was potentially defamatory, the other was off topic.
Que sera sera
Slainte Mhor
 
 
# Old Smokey 2010-08-23 11:34
Douglas Murray, Director of The Centre for Social Cohesion - Perhaps someone should review his employment. Wrong person for the job, just doesnt touch it!
What the Centre for Social Cohesion states about its self Headquartered in Westminster, London, the CSC was founded in 2007 to promote human rights, tolerance and greater cohesion among the UK’s ethnic and religious communities and within wider British society' and 'The CSC undertakes on-the-ground research into ethnic and religious communities in the UK and publishes impartial, detailed analyses. With a focus on extremism, radicalisation and different forms of Islamism, the CSC analyses potential challenges to human rights, religious pluralism and social cohesion across the UK.'
 
 
# ananinginaneana 2010-08-23 11:38
On BBC R4's "Any Questions" Douglas Murray continues his uninformed, offensive bigotry in his answer to the next question;

Q. "Would the members of the panel embark on a university course knowing that they could be £25,000 in debt by the end of it?"

Heckler. "Only in England."

Douglas Murray. "Oh, a very good heckle from the floor. I should repeat (inaudible) claim as mine. We subsidise people north of the border in this as in so many other ways (..)."


Use of the term "racist"


I see that quite a few people are intending to complain about "racism". I do not think that this method of attack will bear fruit. Courts have dismissed claims of racism in the past based on their conclusion that Scots are not a distinct race from the English - Chinese or Africans would be distinct races but not Scots. I think this would be the response you would get from the BBC.

My choice of words is "offensive bigotry". I think it will be much harder for the BBC to defend itself against that accusation.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 11:45
Was there not a case where a senior policeman was rejected from the role of chief constable in Scotland, and he was successful in arguing that this was down to anti English racism.

I think the context is important.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 11:47
So, I would not shilly shally, but call it what it is. Racist and xenophobic.

Why make it easy for the BBC??

It is clear in this context that the Scots are referred to as a separate national identitiy, QED racism.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 11:51
You are quite right RL, there was such a case.

However, ananinginaneana is also correct. No Scot has succeeded in court claiming racism. The English have succeeded in Scottish courts, but Scots have not succeeded in English courts.

I therefore think offensive bigotry is a clever tactic.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 12:00
I understand the thinking, but just because the law works one way to benefit the English, with no equivalent reciprocation in Scotland, I do not think we should regard dismissal of the term 'racist' as a fait accompli.

But of course this discussion is academic, as it is up to each individual complainant to determine their own choice of terminology.
 
 
# ananinginaneana 2010-08-23 12:15
I think it would be a useful exercise to compare any responses received from the BBC to see if we get individually tailored responses or, as I suspect, the usual blanket talk to the hand response.
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 11:57
The main weak link is Baroness Deech as she subject to standards of public behaviour as a member of the House of Lords and as chairperson of the Bar Standards Board. Any complaint has to be taken seriously.

Another weak link are the venues that host Any Questions. Do they wish to be publicly associated with overtly racist and xenophobic comments from panel members who have been deliberately choosen by the BBC producer because of their extreme views.

The Harvest Fields Centre in Sutton Coldfield is now inexorably linked to anti-Scottish sentiments.
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-23 12:01
The offending panelists on BBC R4 'Any Questions' programme should be reported to the police for racism and inciting hatred of Scots. If you substitute the word 'Scot' for 'Blacks', the howls of protest demanding an apology would be massive and rightly so.

The link to this show should be circulated to the Scottish public, this link should be put in online articles in the print media in Scotland. The BBC is starting to make massive mistakes as i knew they would, but i never thought that they would actually be so openly hostile whilst they still desperately want to cling onto us for our resources.

That they would come out with a show like this whilst we are still a part of their union beggars belief. Not the way to keep us with them im sure!

Watch the msm in Scotland scramble to delete the links to this radio show as others post them in their papers. This show is dynamite and will do more for the cause of Scottish Independence than Braveheart ever could.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-23 12:08
The anti-scottish thing has been going on for a while now, mainly targeted at Gordon Brown. I thought this was offensive then and I still do.

The principle of attaching ethnic origin to someones politics is not right.

If the unionists want to appear inclusive they should stop these attacks and insults on Scotland.

It's been said before that if the PM had been a Muslim there would have been racist prosecutions before now.

It would just take one such prosecution against anti-Scottish rhetoric to make people with a voice in the media sit up and think of what they are saying.

I recommend that Baroness Deech be the first to land in court, while the evidence is still fresh and Mr Murray should be sacked from his present position as he has demonstrated that he is unfit to be in it.
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-23 12:11
Btw, Does the SNP know about this show and if so, what are they going to do about it? Good time to take the gloves off with the media and the BBC in particular Alec...

We as licence payers for this poison from the BBC say enough is really enough. They take our money to have a platform across England misinforming and racially abusing Scots and their democratically elected Government and make sure there is no representation whatsover from Scotland to challenge them. They must be breaking the rules in their own charter over and over again.

Someone in authority should be leading the way to challenge this.

The BBC are a disgrace, Its like something out of the old East Germany.
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-23 12:27
I'd imagine Alex Salmond knows about this and will have some choice words about the terrible twosum.
 
 
# Astonished 2010-08-23 17:26
Good Joke from the dying days of East Germany.

East German Broadcaster:" The mighty East Germany are helping to raise the Titanic along with the UK and the USA. The UK want to find out about the ship's structural defects, the US want to recover the bullion ... And the Stasi want to know how they kept the band playing.


So "EdinScot" don't be too downhearted. The BBC are throwing everything at us and we are still doing well.
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-23 12:15
Talking about G.Brown I seem to remember the furore that ensued from the BBC when he made his remark about Mrs Duffie so why the silence now when the boot is on the other foot ie they being the guilty party
 
 
# skintybroko 2010-08-23 12:49
Thanks to Lalland Peat Warrior and Old Smokey have emailed the CSC the following


'The CSC undertakes on-the-
ground research into ethnic
and religious communities in
the UK and publishes
impartial, detailed
analyses. With a focus on
extremism, radicalisation
and different forms of
Islamism, the CSC analyses
potential challenges to
human rights, religious
pluralism and social
cohesion across the UK' So
why does one of your
Directors spout bile such as
this on Radio 4 Any
Questions 20th August
2010 "Douglas Murray: “I
absolutely agree with that.
Megrahi should have died in
prison, no doubt about it.
And er. The advice ...
er ... of the alleged
doctors is galling here.
Because Kenny MacAskill, the
so-called Scottish Justice
Secretary – there’s not very
much to do if you are the
Scottish Justice Secretary
in a devolved Scottish
Assembly. You can at least
read the one important bit
of news that’s come across
your desk the last five
years. The problem that I
think the most galling thing
about this whole thing is
this pretend, horrible,
charade building in
Edinburgh called the
Scottish Parliament and the
horrible charade politicians
who inhabit it and who
occasionally crawl out of
the eh darkness and explain
something to the to the rest
of us as if, as if we we
we’ve never thought of moral
questions before. I mean
Kenny MacAskill and Alex
Salmond these horrible
grandstanding, em, y’know
Mickey Mouse politicians
have been parading around
talking about unique
compassion of the Scottish
people. We we are uniquely
compassionate no one else
feels compassion like me I’m
feeling so compassionate at
the moment I can hardly bare
it (*laughter*) - I think
this is appalling and the
most appalling way to do
politics and no good can
come from this institution –
the Scottish uh, uh,
Parliament and whilst it’s
there and the Union
continues to fragment while
mini-nationalists like
Salmond and MacAskill are
around – whilst this
continues I say no good will
come from it and this
country will continue to be
faced with these ridiculous
figures making ridiculous
pronouncements which
embarrass us all (*more
applause*)...” I dont expect
a coherent plausible answer
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 12:54
My goodness - the House of Lords have their own blog.

lordsoftheblog.net/.../...
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 13:03
And we all pay for it. Nice.
 
 
# ananinginaneana 2010-08-23 13:06
Off Topic

The Herald now has a comment function. At present only operating 9-5 and only on certain articles.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 13:07
I've complained direct to the BBC and advise all other like-minded people to do the same. It might not, in itself, achieve anything but they can't ignore the matter if they receive a deluge of complaints.
I've also contacted the Chief Exec of the SNP to see what the party is gong to do about this insult to Scotland and its people. No doubt those who think they benefit from our 'relationship' with Westminster will put their heads under the parapet, or, as the main target of the broadcast bile was the 'so-called'Scottish Government, might even join in the 'kicking'. Well, all I can say to them is, "Come and have a go if yu think you're hard enough"!
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 13:18
You know a significant factor in relation to complaints about the programme is this.

I listened to the entire programme, which covered contentious topics such as the mosque being built at ground zero ,and the success or failure of the coalition Tory Westminster government. Whilst some of the panellists had strong viewpoints, and some disagreed, they did stay relatively focussed on the topic at hand.

Indeed during other topics, the chairperson/presenter Eddie Mair, often challenged the assertions made by the panellists, or chose to interrupt to critique a particular point being made.

It was ONLY on the Megrahi question that there seemed to be a complete free for all. No holds barred.

Eddie Mair never once tried to get those on the panel to focus on the actual question, or indeed to challenge some of the more absurd and frankly childish comments made by Douglas Murray.

I think in this one programme, the 'imperialist England' mentality now rampant within the BBC was blown wide open for all to see.

Come 2011, the SNP should play this recording in their party election broadcasts.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 13:22
Looking at the register of interests (as I love to do) we can see that amongst other things, Baroness Deech is:

  • A board member of Stephen Roth Institute for the study of Contemporary Antisemitism and Racism, Tel Aviv University


  • Her daughter is a BBC Journalist.


  • Governor of BBC (2002-2006)
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 13:24
Thank you very much.
 
 
# skintybroko 2010-08-23 13:37
Regarding the comments made by Douglas Murray I have written to my MSP (non SNP) suggesting that all parties should respond to this ridiculing of the Scottish Parliament as no matter whether or not they agree with the Megrahi decision, Murray is tarring everyone with the same brush. I doubt I will get a reply.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 14:17
Confirmation received from SNP HQ that they are 'on the case'. Let's hope that other Scottish parties have also got the bit between their teeth. This is not just an anti-SNP attack, it's an attack on the integrity of the Scottish parliament.
 
 
# fay fae fife 2010-08-23 14:26
I just listened to the Any Questions programme on iPlayer. I can't believe those comments were allowed to go unchallenged and that the audience was cheering and whooping at the vile, anti-Scottish remarks like Labour's back benches in Holyrood of a Thursday. I am going to add my complaint to those being sent to the BBC (though perhaps once I've calmed down a bit). I'm quite used to the biased reporting on 'BBC Scotland' but the comments on that programme were outrageous - misinformed, offensive and bigoted.
 
 
# allymax 2010-08-23 14:38
I have decided not to contribute to the Westminster propaganda media anymore; I won't be posting on The Scotsman anymore, I find their Westminster sychophancy and underhand dirty-tricks too much for decent people.

I've now cut out the cancerous and extremely insidiously indecent tabloid newspaper The Scotsman and its 'digital forum', and I haven't watched the BBC for 4 years now, and I certainly don't intend on ever watching it again.

Scots and Scotland must learn to avoid contributing to these Westminster propaganda arenas, then the Westminstr propaganda machine activists will have no basis to post in debate; of which is really mind-bending dehumanisation of society in Scotland.

In other words, I will not talk or even debate with (scottish) Labour, nor their propaganda drones.
 
 
# flying haggis 2010-08-23 15:39
I will join you.

No more visiting Scotsman online anymore, just deleted the shortcut from my desktop.
 
 
# Richardmci 2010-08-23 14:38
I've voted S.N.P. in every election (Scottish and British) since 79' save 97' where to my eternal shame I voted Labour!

At no point did I consider joining the S.N.P. as a member, UNTIL NOW!

My membership arrives in the post this Friday and yes I plan to become an active member of my local branch in West Lothian.

It's time to get active people as I think we're near the tipping point and think the next couple of years will be crucial.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 15:21
Quoting Richardmci:
I've voted S.N.P. in every election (Scottish and British) since 79' save 97' where to my eternal shame I voted Labour!

At no point did I consider joining the S.N.P. as a member, UNTIL NOW!

My membership arrives in the post this Friday and yes I plan to become an active member of my local branch in West Lothian.

It's time to get active people as I think we're near the tipping point and think the next couple of years will be crucial.

Where in WL and I'll see you OK!
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-23 14:47
I have sent the link to Richard Baker, Jim Murphy, Iain Gray and Annabel Goldie.

I said, this is what they think of the Scots and their wee pretendy Parliament.

I also sent the link to 38 Degrees.

I await a reply lol.

I would like to say to the above posters, you have behaved very respectfully despite desperate bigotted rubbish played on Any Questions. I am going to have to wait to complain as my blood pressure is still at boiling point.
 
 
# scotintun 2010-08-23 14:52
The BBC throws a bad light on itself. I live in North Africa and my wife watches some of the large numbers of Arabic channels available including the news programmes. Over the weekend I expected to see a large number of Arab station mention the anniversary of the release of Mr Megrahi but alas I only saw one! However, that one put out the same news item at least twice – I gave up after that. Yes the only real mention was from BBC Arabic. I did try Libyan TV to see if they had anything, but nothing. Maybe I was unlucky not to see any items but I still had the BBC. The point is very few Arabs think - if any, that he did it so it is not really important news.
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-23 15:25
I think that is an important observation. It shows how contrived the reporting around Megrahi is.
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-23 14:53
I would just like to say once again that this is a fantastic site and it is great to find so many like-minded people on it. As I have said before, a group of like-minded people can achieve great things, far greater things than they would as individuals and as I suggested before, the first thing to do is to decide on an objective. Ok, so lets forget for the moment attacking the BBC, cavalcade of cars, etc. Here is something we can start right now and achieve as a group. (I know some of you are already doing this, but if we ALL did it imagine the result!)

Lets try and DOUBLE the readership of this website by the end of August. That is one week. I have no idea how it could be done or how it could be measured (maybe Ed would know that one), but with concentrated efforts on this target, with each of us doing our bit to publicise the site anywhere on the internet we can think of, who knows what could be achieved in just one week!!

I am going to start right now by inviting those who just visit and read, to join. It's really simple and takes about 10 seconds :)

To the rest of you, I really enjoy reading all your thoughtful and interesting comments and I invite you to join in with this goal.

I think Ed deserves it.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 15:16
I am a member of various forums on the internet and some have obvious Scottish members.

Last night I posted details of Newsnet Scotland in one of the forum's political sections. It has been read 28 times. Membership of the site has increased by 12 people. On average we are picking up 3 per day.

I plan to mention newsnet on other forums too. I recommend everyone else does the same. However, do not spam forums. Place it in their off-topic or political sections.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 15:26
I posted on the CalMerc site asking why they were not overing this item and encouraging other readers to do as I have done and switch over to NewsNet. When last I looked it had not been moderated. In fact, I learned of NewsNet through other famliar posters on the CM site. Come on board: the more the merrier!
 
 
# ananinginaneana 2010-08-23 16:05
I've been reposting these articles on Reddit ever since I discovered this site. I'm communicating with online ed at the moment to try and set some sort of forum up so that people can discuss what sites these are being reposted to so that others can join in the debates on these forums, fora (damn it, shouldn't given up latin) other sites.
 
 
# allymax 2010-08-23 15:50
pinkrose, I have tried communicating with other commenters on The Scotsman, but they are only interested in having the Westminster propaganda viewpoint portrayed,(othe r than their illicit deceit emanating from Labour principles of course,), but I've realised it's pointless; those that post on The Scotsman are either Labour activists, or wasting their time trying to debate anything sensible. The articles start the debate as Westminster propaganda, and the one-sided debate unfurls into a malaise of child-like mischief-making and smears. The Scotsman really is not the place to debate anything serious in Scottish politics.

I have only recently found this site, and I would like to further my contributions towards debates on Scotland's politics, and independece issues by publishing a letter to 'Speaker's Corner'. I have a lot to say, but a decent, debating forum can be the only place to move Scotland's political, social, and cultural issues forward.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 17:11
Allymax - long time no hear (BWB seems to be dead now!). You have been missed. Look forward to your letter on Forum.
Brian
 
 
# allymax 2010-08-24 00:32
Good to be onboard bmc875.

Now, let's get some real hard work done from now 'til May 2011. Whit dae ye say Scots; Yeh !
 
 
# akava77 2010-08-23 15:04
The horrible anti-Scottish comments made by Mrs Deech and Mr Murray, which are bordering towards xenophobic actually give me encouragement that an independence referendum is something we could win.

A lot of the creatures making these type of comments down south will undoubtedly crawl out of the woodwork during any referendum campaign, and it might just be enough for people who were previously against or unsure to say to themselves if that's how they feel about us then let's just take them up on their offer.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-23 15:34
pinkrose and all the new members,

I think ‘george davie’ has a good campaign going at the moment ‘tell five to tell five’ about this website.

May I also make a suggestion? If you email any new potential members/friends about this site, guide them to visit the links page here and to watch the 6 part series from Doimhair, BBC Alba, on how the establishment, along with the unionist parties conspired, past & present, to rob Scotland of its wealth?

It certainly was an eye opener for me, good luck.

I think the recent recording from R4 would also greatly benefit our cause.

Btw, welcome to all!
 
 
# The_Duke 2010-08-23 15:39
With regards to ‘tell five to tell five’ .... any chance of getting a Facebook link?
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-23 15:40
I have posted both the radio link and newsnet link to SNP's facebook
 
 
# The_Duke 2010-08-23 15:42
Doh!! I see there is one!

facebook.com/.../...
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-23 15:42
Not so long ago 'Any Questions' had an article about the national anthem and discussed whether the controversial verse should be removed. Only one panelist said it should be. The other three panelists and the straw polls taken from the audience showed that most were infavour of keeping it.
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-23 17:54
If they did remove it, would we ahve to remove our possible "Controversial" versus?
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-23 15:45
Good idea Crazyhill.

We all should highlight this website in our own local press all over Scotland, as well as in the nationals.

If they don’t have a comments page get the message over in the ‘Lost touch’ section, that will do.
 
 
# allymax 2010-08-23 16:24
Alx1, I've just sent this website address, (with good reccommendation s to visit), to all the Christian churches in Scotland. I hope that's my wee bit done for today.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 17:14
Bless!
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-23 20:46
Quoting allymax:
Alx1, I've just sent this website address, (with good reccommendation s to visit), to all the Christian churches in Scotland. I hope that's my wee bit done for today.


Sorry just seen your reply, allymax.

Keep it up. The more the merrier.

As I said before, in another thread, we want a broader church,(yes intended pun, but I did say it before)

A wide spectrum of Scottish society makes for very healthy debate.
 
 
# allymax 2010-08-24 00:30
" we want a broader church...A wide spectrum of Scottish society makes for very healthy debate."

Don't worry Alx1; ye won't be disappointed.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-23 15:58
I've also written to my MSP
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-23 16:04
I just wrote to a website about Scotland asking them to include the site in their links. Will try and find some other ones as well. Not sure if they will do this, but it will raise awareness of the site.

Thanks Alx1 for the information about the tell 5 to tell 5 campaign.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-23 16:05
I posted a link to the BBC clip last night on a Scotsman thread and today I've been frozen out!
 
 
# allymax 2010-08-23 16:12
Gill, "I posted a link to the BBC clip last night on the Scotsman thread and today I've been frozen out";

That's a good thing Gill !
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-23 22:35
Och I used it for a laugh. Can't get the energy to re-join.
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2010-08-23 16:11
Another site which might interest some of you guys to take part in.

quirkynats.freeforums.org/.../
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-23 16:11
Great to see all the enthusiasm and positivity from everyone here. It proves that good does come out of something bad with regard to that racist radio show.

Im not that clued up with how to post a link to this superb news site but i have passed on by word of mouth to people at work and friends and family.

I too am in the process of complaning to the appropriate organisations and people regarding this show. Great to hear the SNP are aware of this radio show and are on to it. The unionist parties in Scotland should also be contacted and acting on our behalf, here is their moment of truth to see if they stick up for Scotland. Personally i think the silence will be defeaning from them.

The BBC cannot be allowed to get away with this. I hope the SNP contact the police on these individuals. They must be held to account for their words and actions.

We should hound the BBC over this no matter how long it takes. I never watch Reporting Scotland or their politics shows anymore, havent done so for 4 months.
 
 
# Robabody 2010-08-23 16:13
"It was national outrage day last Friday" Taking your advise about clearing out on Friday, I cleared off to sunny Wigtownshire. Having safely avoided all contact with our rabid press in the morning, I nearly put myself and the wife into an field full of ayrshire tatties when she turned the radio on for some music and we caught the Radio 2 news instead. When I heard that little snake Gray spouting, I was very outraged indeed. I'm delight to report that I avoided the tattie field and that the people I was visiting (labour voters) were fizzing about the biased coverage too.
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-23 16:35
Edinscot. Sending a link is really quite easy.
Right click the text and click on the send a link, it will then appear as a message ready to be sent by your e-mail server.
Good luck.
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-23 17:46
Thanks 1scot, i will give it a go. Appreciated.
 
 
# Richardmci 2010-08-23 17:17
Probably the best forum on Scottish politics with the emphesis on Scottish Independence and certainly the biggest I have found is the following...

ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/.../
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 17:19
Just received from the BBC Complaints Department. Have not fully read it yet. Anyone else received similar?

"Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:

“I’m sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

‘Any Questions?’ aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these comments as racist: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made.

Another element of ‘Any Questions?’ is the reaction of the audience in the hall, but I would like to point out that we only hear from those people who choose to voice their reactions. These responses should therefore not be taken to represent the audience as a whole who may hold a wide range of differing opinions.

‘Any Questions?’ achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are balanced over the series: On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision "to grant the compassionate early release of a dying man." We also encourage a range of opinion by inviting listeners to call in to ‘Any Answers?’ and challenge the opinions that they hear on ‘Any Questions?’.

The views expressed by the panellists are not necessarily shared by the BBC. The panellists reveal themselves in the comments they choose to make and we leave it to listeners to make up their own minds about what they hear.

I do hope you will continue to listen to ‘Any Questions?’”

We would like to assure you that we’ve registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for contacting the BBC.

Kind Regards

BBC Audience Services"

EDIT18.22 The above says (inter alia) "The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made." Did anyone hear these interventions by Mr Mair?
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 17:47
BBC QUOTE "The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made"

That is one BIG FAT LIE BY THE BBC. He did not intervene.

In fact, what makes all of this so terrible, is that during the earlier contentious questions in the show, Eddi Mair, did quite often intervene. BUTm when it came to the Megrahi anti Scotland rants, he did not.

You need to reply saying that the panellists were not addressing the pro's and cons of Megrahi's release, but rather they were just ranting their Scottish hatred.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 17:52
This response from the BBC has made me even angrier. They treat Scotland with utter, utter contempt.

Complain long and hard, write to everyone, the BBC director general, Mark Thomson, your MP, your MSP, anybody you can think of.

The more letters they get, the more seriously they will take it.

Keep going. Respond to the reply, do not accept it. It is a bare faced lie.

This filth from the BBC must NOT be allowed to stand. Ever.
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-23 18:15
My feelings exactly Robert. No matter how long it takes we should hound the BBC with this and Msp's, MP's, all appropriate authorities until we are blue in the face.

The BBC deliberately saw a chance to smear the Scottish Government again on the anniversary of Megrahi's release with the non representation of anyone agreeing with the Scottish Government let alone a Scottish voice on the show. I hope Mair's wages are enough compensation to sell his Country down the river.

The BBC are encouraging and igniting hatred of Scots. I now wont be happy until the BBC are flushed down the toilet in Scotland.

Someone said earlier that if this was another Country insulted, it would be a diplomatic incident and they'd be forced to issue an apology.

What is making the BBC launch these nasty and vile attacks on Scotland?

Are the natives more restless in deepest Scotlandshire than we are led to believe...One wonders.
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-23 17:54
bmc873

This reply proves that there is none so blind as those that dont wish to see. Bog standard same old same old from the BBC.

Racism and inciting racism is exactly what it is. I must have went out for a walk during this broadcast yet i made a point of listening to in its entirety as i didnt hear Eddie Mair intervene at any point!

She deserves a reply telling her how wrong she is. The credibility of the BBC is in shreds. They even have the temerity to defend this ill informed drivel.

The Italian Mafia were right all those years ago when they said when it comes to propaganda 'we have nothing on the British'.

It is imperative for Scotland to break free of the establishiment stranglehold on us before it suffocates us completely. This show proves that point for us.
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-23 17:57
At least you got a personal reply! He did intervene but I don't think it was really to challenge the panelists..
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 18:02
I think you need to reply, lest they think that is the matter closed.

This was an unchallenged attack on an insitution that 74.3% of the Scottish electorate on a turnout of 60.4%(!!) voted for.

It is an attack on three quarters of the Scottish population.

It could not and would not be balanced out over the course of the year, and to say so fundamentally misses the point.

bmc875 I applaud you in your efforts so far, but please do take this further. I am heartened at least that you got a reply. Well done to you. Another one of Scotland's heroes.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 19:18
I have replied. As it is quite a 'sporting' letter I am keeping it private at the moment. I do not wish to be seen (by the BBC) as a (whisper it) cybernat!.

I have taken advice from all those who have commented on the BBC response I received and published above.

I also argued that, at the least, the BBC were guilty by omission and/or association. I was able to cite an incident from Sunday Morning Live where Susanna Reid (Ah know ah know!) berated a male guest (Ex Stranglers (Music Group, not profession)) and distanced herself and the BBC from his comment.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 20:10
Part of my response contained this -

"I urge you to revise your response and review your procedures. By association, the BBC condones these offensive bigoted comments against Scotland and the people of Scotland. Should you find this hard to accept, many times on other programmes, the BBC link person/presenter has interjected to reprimand one for similar remarks.

The most recent was episode 7 'Sunday Morning Live' when Susanna Reid pulled up one of her guests for making salacious comments about 'visiting prostitutes'. This happened at 40.30 into the programme. A guest, Hugh Cornwell - Ex Stranglers - said "There's this chap in xxxxxxxx (English County was named) who is apparently sexually frustrated....." Susanna intervened at this point to say something along the lines of 'we don't know details of the person or the location'' Hugh Cornwell then said words to the effect that this chap, in addition to being sexually frustrated also had learning difficulties and was being sent to a prostitute in Amsterdam. He then said "I wish I was sexually frustrated and had learning difficulties!" Immediately Susanna - and her female guest (with the yellow top) said words to the effect of ' No you don't. That is appalling, that is outrageous'."
 
 
# ScotiaWarden 2010-08-23 19:53
I also received a reply for the BBC Complaints Department, their response is exactly the same as yours. I plan to make a response specifically into the point that Eddie Mair intervened - I plan to listen to the whole broadcast first and listen to "Any Answers" also on the iPlayer.
 
 
# west_lothian_questioner 2010-08-23 19:55
I'm still waiting for a reply from the BBC to the complaint i registered on the day following the broadcast. It will be interesting to see if the reply I eventually get (allowing that I get one at all) is the same, "avoid the issue," drivel that you got bmc.
When/if such a reply appears in my inbox, I'll compare, contrast and post it here for general perusal.
 
 
# brusque 2010-08-23 17:38
Mr Mair's microphone must have been turned off when he was attempting to assert himself (I wish there was a rolling eyes icon to express my contempt).

I've written to Murray directly to express my ire.
 
 
# brusque 2010-08-23 17:41
Social cohesion is a term used in social policy, sociology and political science to describe the bonds or "glue" that bring people together in society, ...


How much does that make you want to laugh out loud? Jings.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 18:08
brusque, I was on the Stephen Roth Insitute's homepage earlier (Deech is a board member there). They maintain a database of all anti semitic happenings around the world.

I had a wee look round this database earlier, to see if I could find any similar radio shows with anti-semitic rants that they had logged. However, I stopped for dinner.

I now find I cannot access the database. I wonder if anyone else is blocked and if they could find anything. That would be VERY embarrassing if an organisation linked to Baroness Deech took a dim view of something she had just participated in save for "Scots" being subsituted for "Jews".

The database can be found here: www.tau.ac.il/.../database.htm
 
 
# brusque 2010-08-23 18:25
Quoting truth:
brusque,

I now find I cannot access the database. I wonder if anyone else is blocked and if they could find anything. That would be VERY embarrassing if an organisation linked to Baroness Deech took a dim view of something she had just participated in save for "Scots" being subsituted for "Jews".

The database can be found here: www.tau.ac.il/.../database.htm


Couldn't access the database but this is copy and paste of the Institute's Mission Statement.........given that Newsnight Scotland devoted the entire programme to anti-semitism in Jim Murphy's Constituency, one would assume that the sentiments expressed in the Mission Statement would just as easily apply to Scots/Scotland.

The Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Contemporary Antisemitism and Racism is a resource for information, provides a forum for academic discussion, and fosters continuing research on issues related to antisemitic and racist theories and manifestations. The social and political exploitation of these phenomena since the end of World War II, and the influence of their historical background, constitute the principal focus of the Institute I find it very hard to believe that a woman who is apparently sensitive to this issue considers her vile bigotry towards Scots/Scotland to be acceptable?!
 
 
# oldfoggie 2010-08-23 18:31
No it is block for me to, we wonder why.

Another wee bit useless information is the both STV and BBC News this evening did not mention Mahgrahi once.

No news is good new I suppose.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 18:44
I just tried via the USA ,and couldn't access.

Tried the google cache, but even that is gone.

Oh dear, somebody is running scared.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-23 19:13
Truth.
Just tried message "Web site cannot be found"
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 19:44
Yes, I;m getting that now too. It's a differnet message to what I was getting earlier.

I'm sure it's just a maintenance issue.

Thanks everyone for trying.
 
 
# Quinie frae Angus 2010-08-23 18:02
To Brian

Thank you for that; I appreciate your thoughts.

It's a funny thing - at the same time as I find this whole struggle profoundly depressing, because of the blind and ignorant intransigence of so many MSM and Unionist diehards, I am also heartened and encouraged by sites such as this where we can gather our thoughts and educate each other about further reading, ideas for action etc.

I have learned a lot from this one posting and comments alone.

And yes I will be joining the SNP, and will be happy to mingle and discuss matters with other members be they gradualist or fundamentalist! ! I will also be persuading others to the cause, as per the suggestions on how to do so from the many commenters above.
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-23 18:08
You do realise that we will go through this all over again when Megrahi dies? Just remember to keep all heavy objects away from television sets and keep car radios off unless you wish to start tattie hawking.......
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 18:45
You mean I might need to buy another telly??

If only we still had radio rentals.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 19:46
You haven't heard of Boxclever?

I believe this is what became of the old D.E.R.

www.boxclever.co.uk/
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-23 18:08
and I have just send an e-mail to Maajid Awaz, who was on that panel

Dear Mr Awaz

I am a Scot and listened to the Radio 4 Any Questions broadcast on Friday 20th August from Sutton Coldfield with jaw dropping incredulity which has since boiled into eruptive outrage. The thinly veiled bilious and outrageous racist comments made by two of the panellists, both claiming a modicum of Scottish parentage, was beyond parody and had they been verbally Paki bashing should have brought stout riposte and a skewering from yourself.

Forlorn hope, eh?

Instead, what did you say?


“Just to say for our Scottish listeners, I think you know, just to say that we do love you all [Laughter from audience AND panel members] I love the Highlands.”


For the record Mr Awaz, some of my best friends are Pakis from the Punjab and disgruntled Anglicised Jewesses.

I hope the irony of that is not lost on you?

As for the other two grandstanding clowns, they will be spit roasted by others.

I made me sad that you do not see the implicit racism; remember the cheering from the Sutton Coldfield mob to Deech and Murray?

Sutton Coldfield is in the West Midlands?

Maybe their pent up xenophobia, which they are now unable to vent publically against anyone of a darker hue, has found a “safe” home and you were there when it happened, on the BBC, live.

You missed an open goal.

Not all whities live in Sutton Coldfield and I am proud to say, Scotland, whilst a long way short of being perfect in this regard, is trying much harder, certainly than that zoo audience on Friday, to dismantle by example, racial and national stereotyping. The Scottish Government, and particularly the SNP, are well in the vanguard of this. Check out their definition of who is a Scot and their record on opposing forced deportation of assimilated law abiding asylum seekers of all hues.

Also if you want, you can look at the SNP website and click on the obituary section of images mid right, and follow the link to Bashir Ahmed MSP.

www.snp.org


I think you have chosen unwell your pied-a-terre in this “United Kingdom”. You are, however, most welcome in Scotland

It is ironic, that the Scottish Government was nailed by two self seeking Numpties in a racial/national diatribe.

It is equally ironic that had Scotland been independent of this Disunited Kingdom, these carbuncles on humanity would have been constrained in venting their spleen against a neighbouring country. Do you think they would have tried it on with Eire or Luxembourg or Pakistan or Israel? Ironic?

I await the day when we are free of this racist, empire loyalist, festering corpse of a Union.

We are really only honorary English you know, and that honour is being stripped from us daily as we dare to think and act differently from them.

I hoped and expected a little bit more from you. Maybe your jaw had dropped too?


Happy hunting Mr Awaz.
 
 
# birnie 2010-08-23 18:14
Pure, dead,brilliant, Panda!
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 18:37
A great letter.

It is ironic that those comments that were directed at Scots, would NEVER have been directed at any other ethnicity group.

It seems It's ok to racially abuse the Scots in the BBC.
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-23 18:49
Great letter! Not having much down time these days but am disgusted with this whole affair! I'm glad the SNP are aware of this sordid affair and feel it is about time a Press Conference was held by AS to get some home truths put over!
Welcome to all those who have recently joined the SNP! Great to have some more on board!
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:41
nice one panda
 
 
# seanair.brown69 2010-08-23 18:16
The mounting campaign against the SNP and Scotland by the BBC, The Scotsman et al,and the inability to get a fair response from these organisations has made me angry.

The only way I can hit back in a way that will make me feel better and is anathema to the above, is to ....join the SNP. Which I have done today, and feel better already.

Now that I'm a Member (well nearly) I shall be adding my voice to those in the party who think the SNP should attack the lies and half-truths as they appear or are broadcast.

Alex Neil is doing a great job as Housing Minister, but before that he was a wonderful attack dog for the SNP. Wish he could do both jobs.

By the way I hope many readers of this and other blogs will also join the SNP in sufficient numbers that the Party can announce the increase and counter some of the anti-SNP propaganda referred to above.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 18:48
It is a way of hitting back, because every now and then figures for party membership get run by the media. It's always good if the SNP figures are growing.

It probably frightens the likes of Murray and Deech.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 19:11
And a very warm welcome.
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-23 18:23
I too have joined the SNP today. They need as much support as they can get. We also need to get more people to be aware of this website as it speaks volumes.
 
 
# oldfoggie 2010-08-23 18:33
Welcome aboard Pinkrose we look forward to having a wee chat with you some time

God Bless
 
 
# brusque 2010-08-23 18:39
Quoting pinkrose:
I too have joined the SNP today. They need as much support as they can get. We also need to get more people to be aware of this website as it speaks volumes.


You will find yourself right at home here in the Temple of Truth:-) Nice to welcome you pinkrose.
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-23 18:45
Thanks oldfoggie and brusque!
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-23 19:09
Well done you. Mind and find out where your local branch hold their meetings - you can help set policy, choose candidates, be a candidate if you want (after one year membership), go to fundraisers, AGM's, drunken adoption of candidate nights (nearly put drunken candidate's adoption night), be an activist, branch treasurer, branch secretary etc. The list is endless. Join in - be active - have fun.
 
 
# brusque 2010-08-23 18:33
I still can't believe that the BBC gave blanket coverage to the silly "ABE" anyone but england T-shirts. You couldn't find a channel where someone wasn't spouting off about how offensive it was!!!

And they dare to use the excuse that all that was said on the Any Questions Programme was just "debate" - I'd love to see them use that one if any of the ignorant bigots had used the same kind of language regarding ANY other country!
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-23 18:47
For any new posters !!!

Can I bring to your attention the “Tell 5 to Tell 5” campaign?

Purpose?

To bring to the attention of the Scottish public the following.

• The existence of “Newsnet Scotland”- www.newsnetscotland.com

• Petitions regarding the flying of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle & the return of the William Wallace safe conduct letter to Scotland - epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../

• The petition for Scottish independence - www.scottishindependenceconvention.com

Encourage people to do the following.

1. Visit Newsnet Scotland and join in the debate

2. Sign the e-petitions on the Scottish Parliament’s website

3. Sign the petition for Scottish Independence

4. Pass on this communication to 5 others AND ask them to pass on to 5 others

5. Copy – paste - distribute! (handout, post, phone, e-mail to a friend, leave in waiting areas, etc)

It would appear that things are beginning to move!!!
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 18:58
Quoting george davie:
For any new posters !!!

Can I bring to your attention the “Tell 5 to Tell 5” campaign?

Purpose?

To bring to the attention of the Scottish public the following.

• The existence of “Newsnet Scotland”- www.newsnetscotland.com

• Petitions regarding the flying of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle & the return of the William Wallace safe conduct letter to Scotland - epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../

• The petition for Scottish independence - www.scottishindependenceconvention.com

Encourage people to do the following.

1. Visit Newsnet Scotland and join in the debate

2. Sign the e-petitions on the Scottish Parliament’s website

3. Sign the petition for Scottish Independence

4. Pass on this communication to 5 others AND ask them to pass on to 5 others

5. Copy – paste - distribute! (handout, post, phone, e-mail to a friend, leave in waiting areas, etc)

It would appear that things are beginning to move!!!




This is excellent. Make sure you sign the petitions. The more people sign, the harder it is for the unionists to ignore.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 19:04
The saltire over Edinburgh petition is found here,

epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../


and currently has 721 signatures - which isn't bad, so far

The Wallace letter petition is here;


epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../


And currently has 2572 signatures.

Make sure you sign them. Please especially the saltire on the castle one, as the union flag flying from Edinburgh castle is just wrong, wrong, wrong, and irks me every time I see it. It's huge.
 
 
# Vakov2000 2010-08-24 18:17
Not only is it wrong I noticed on a recent trip to the festival they have replaced it with the biggest Union flag I have ever seen!
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-23 18:47
I have to say I am tired of the old "We subsidise Scotland" slogan from south of the border. I would like to see a total revenue, in simple terms of course of what each country puts IN annually and recieves back annually. I have a sneaking suspicion that the oil taxation revenue alone would raise a few eyebrows. Not to mention the £1.6 BILLION pound revenue generated by an £800 million Scottish Industry (Thank you to the "Precious Few Heroes" video that is found on this website for that tit bit of information that made my jaw drop!)
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-23 19:00
If I recall correctly, last year Scotland sent over £49 billion in taxes to the Westminster treasury. Westminster sent us back just over £30 billion in pocket money. Just imagine what Scotland could do with all those billions retained by Westminster.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 19:14
This is exactly why Westminster is opposed to full fiscal autonomy, whereby every penny raised in Scotland gets spent in Scotland. If that were the case, it would be obvious what the financial balances are.

In the current system, there is complication and obfuscation, as some things like state benefits or pensions are paid out via London. The figures have been calculated, it's just that there is enough of a grey area for unionists to argue technicalities, and thereby confuse the issue.

In addition, there is the question of oil. In the past, the income from oil has not been counted in the Scottish accounts. So, it make Scotland look weaker than it really is.

It is a classic case of smoke and mirrors.

it is for this reason that the unionists are so keen on Calman, as it will merely replace one confusing system, with another even more confusing one.

Anyway, from the official civil service figures, the Scottish economy has been in surplus by several billions over the last four years - but only if you count the oil - which you should - but not if you're a unionist - and so on it goes.....
 
 
# G.Macp 2010-08-23 19:02
In a strange way it's funny how things change in a week or so! All the negative talk fro labour on minimum pricing and Welsh Labour turn round and support it! Lockerbie bomber release and Diane Abbott supports it as a Labour party leader hopeful! Senator fighting for US oil companies rights in Libya,one of the 4 Senators hassling Scotland!Hypocr it! Then this sordid programme of racial abuse of Scots and our Government! The Lockerbie bomber anniversary not quite the story they hoped for either!
How wonderful to see how it seems to have swung in the favour of the SNP as polls suggest "neck and neck!" SNP memebership appears to be rising too!
It's now time for that First Ministers Press Conference to establish itself!
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-23 20:52
SNP membership is rising ... aye it rose by one for sure ... ME !
 
 
# ScotiaWarden 2010-08-23 19:20
Like many others I have also complained.

I decided to complain to several people:

The BBC: www.bbc.co.uk/.../homepage

My Local MSP: iament.uk

Scottish Parliamentary Leaders

Labour: iament.uk

Tory: iament.uk

Liberal Democrats: iament.uk

“I thought it prudent to bring to your attention - having just listened to “BBC Radio 4 - Any Questions” on the BBC iPlayer - the offensive remarks which were broadcast, I term it offensive bigotry against those of scottish descent.

I have raised this with other politically parties. The topic concerns the release of Al Megrahi on compassionate release by the Scottish Justice Secretary, but not only that an attack on the Scottish Parliament and our politicians otherwise deemed: “horrible charade politicians” . I would have thought people such as Ruth Deech, formerly Governor of the BBC, and Douglas Murray, Director of The Centre for Social Cohesion, would have reserved judgement.

I have now raised a complaint with the BBC in regards to this broadcast and have urged others to listen to the disgusting remarks claiming we are subsidised - this one remark I believe is guilty of feeding the destruction of the United Kingdom. I believe this remark of subsiding Scotland has been drawn out since 1970, where the UK Government sought to perpetuate the idea that Scotland is financially supported by the rest of the UK and that it could not be a viable state on its own - I don’t believe that was the conclusion of the McCrone Report.

Unfortunately, in regards to the broadcast, modesty was not in evidence. In contrast, modest command of fact and inflammatory opinions were to be found in abundance. Both Douglas Murray and Ruth Deech took the opportunity to give free rein to their prejudices in the most dismal and shameful fashion. I trust if you have time you will listen to broadcast, and raise your own complaint.”


I enclosed the transcript provided above for each party member.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-23 19:24
So how does this sound,

Female panellist (Ruth Deech)
Time into the programme 39:15

I'm fed up with this English waving of nationalism when it suits them. Alright, they're devolved, but I think they did this just to show the rest of us oh, that we are independent, we make our own decisions, and it's been very embarassing for the rest of us. And it started me thinking along these lines, if England wants to be independent, ok, be my guest, go ahead, do what you want and [Applause] please take back with you all the English politicians - there's so many of them - you know- starting with Blair and Clegg and Cameron, take them all back, and off you go, and go off on your own, because actually, we're all subsidising them I think, by way of oil and all sorts of reasons, and if they want to show how independent they are, ok, thank you and goodbye.

Douglas Murray

I agree with that. First of all, Megrahi should have died in prison, no doubt about it, eh, and, eh, the advice of the alleged doctors is galling here because Jack Straw, the so-called English Justice Secretary, not very much to do if you're the English justice secretary, in a devolved, eh,eh,eh English assembly. He could at least read the one important piece of news that's come across his desk in the last five years, em, the problem, eh, that I think, the most galling thing about this whole thing, is this pretend horrible charade of a building in London called the Westminster Parliament and eh the horrible charade politicians who inhabit it, and who occasionally crawl out of the darkness, and explain something to the rest of us, em,as if, eh, as if we, we, we've never thought of moral questions before, I mean David Cameron and Nick Clegg, these horrible grand standing mickey mouse politicians, have been parading around and talking about unique compassion of the English people, we are uniquely compassionate, no one else feels compassion like me, I'm feeling so compassionate at the moment I can hardly bear it [loud laughter and cheering] and, I don't know, maybe I'm half compassionate, maybe I'm half - the half- that's missing on the Scottish side.

I think this is appalling, and the most appalling way to do politics, and, eh I, I think this is, you know, no good can come from this institution, the English - eh, eh, eh, Parliament, and whilst it's there and the union continues to fragment while mini nationalists like Clegg and Cameron are around, whilst this continues I say no good will come from it and this, this country will continue to be faced with these ridiculous figures making ridiculous pronouncements, which will embarass us all.

[Masses of loud applause]
Eddi Mahr - Maajid briefly;

Just to say for our English listeners, I think you know, just to say that we do love you all [Laughter from audience AND panel members] I love the Lake District

Female panel member interjects ..

They're not listening anymore [Laughter panel and audience]

Male panel member continues..

They just turned off. No I just wanted to add something, I think there does need to be a full enquiry into this, and I think that there needs to be an enquiry into..
Male voice interjects..

..into this programme haha [laughter] into the anti English rhetoric on this programme [laughter from audience and panel], but no in the decision made by the English Government, but also the involvement generally of the UK, and it's not just the English but everyone else as well.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-23 19:58
It sounds a bit racist to me Diabloandco.

Tut tut.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:42
Well done :)
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 19:48
Response from BBC to my complaint. See what you thnk.I've already told them what I think!!
"Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:

“I’m sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

‘Any Questions?’ aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these comments as racist: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made.

Another element of ‘Any Questions?’ is the reaction of the audience in the hall, but I would like to point out that we only hear from those people who choose to voice their reactions. These responses should therefore not be taken to represent the audience as a whole who may hold a wide range of differing opinions.

‘Any Questions?’ achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are balanced over the series: On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision "to grant the compassionate early release of a dying man." We also encourage a range of opinion by inviting listeners to call in to ‘Any Answers?’ and challenge the opinions that they hear on ‘Any Questions?’.

The views expressed by the panellists are not necessarily shared by the BBC. The panellists reveal themselves in the comments they choose to make and we leave it to listeners to make up their own minds about what they hear.

I do hope you will continue to listen to ‘Any Questions?’”
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-23 20:02
SNAP! Word-for-word same as mine.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-23 19:53
Reference CAS-258124
My reply from BBC
Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:

“I’m sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

‘Any Questions?’ aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these comments as racist: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made.

Another element of ‘Any Questions?’ is the reaction of the audience in the hall, but I would like to point out that we only hear from those people who choose to voice their reactions. These responses should therefore not be taken to represent the audience as a whole who may hold a wide range of differing opinions.

‘Any Questions?’ achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are balanced over the series: On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision "to grant the compassionate early release of a dying man." We also encourage a range of opinion by inviting listeners to call in to ‘Any Answers?’ and challenge the opinions that they hear on ‘Any Questions?’.

The views expressed by the panellists are not necessarily shared by the BBC. The panellists reveal themselves in the comments they choose to make and we leave it to listeners to make up their own minds about what they hear.

I do hope you will continue to listen to ‘Any Questions?’”

We would like to assure you that we’ve registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for contacting the BBC.

Kind Regards

Claire Ward
 
 
# northernshedboy 2010-08-23 23:53
Reference for your paragraph 4 here is a transcript from the final 2 members of the panel (you will note that Mr Mair only interjected at the comments of the 1st 2 panelists and remained out of the debate for these 2 - I wonder why?) Hope this helps:-

Eddie Mair: was the Scottish Government ‘sensible’ to release the Lockerbie bomber?

Ruth Deech: No it wasn’t sensible and it was wrong. First of all because of the health issue and he wasn’t properly checked up though I note that Ronnie Biggs is still alive … is he not? … and we’ve been told I don’t know how many times that he is at deaths door and he, he was let out, … but it is clearly …

Eddier Mair: But isn’t continuing human life not something to celebrate?

Ruth Deech: emmm …… I’m very glad that … that people live but if you start letting out a prisoner, every one who has a dodgy em … medical history, well we’d save money wouldn’t we, but I’m not sure it’s a … it’s a very good reason. Secondly there may be doubts about his innocence but macg .. al Magrahi himself or his advisors dropped the appeal. If he was so sure he was innocent he should have allowed that appeal to go ahead then he could have walked out as a free man with his head held high and from what I have read there was a fair chance he would have won that appeal and the fact that he didn’t pursue it seems to me very odd. But the final reason is I am fed up with this Scottish waving of nationalism when it suits them. All right they’re devolved, but I think they did this just to show the rest of us … oh that we are independent we make our own decisions and it’s been very embarrassing for the rest of us and it started me thinking along these lines. If Scotland wants to be independent, OK , be my guest, go ahead. Do what you want and …

Applause and some cheering from audience

… please take back with you all the Scottish politicians, there are so many of them …

Laughter from audience

… you know, starting with Blair and Brown and Campbell, take them all back and off you go and go off on your own because actually we’re all subsidising them I think by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons and if they want to show how independent they are OK thank you and good bye.

Applause and comment from audience

Douglas Murray: I want to know er, …

Loud applause from audience

Eddie Mair: right

Douglas Murray: I have to say I am rather keen to know em … where Ruth thinks the half Scottish panellists on Any Questions should go,

Laughter from audience and panel

Douglas Murray: … I am slightly worried about my position now. Em …

Ruth Deech: My mother’s Scottish by the way so it’s me too

Douglas Murray: Oh, thank goodness for that. Em … we’ll meet in the border lands some where. Emm … The the the the the thing is I absolutely agree with that. First of all, Megrahi should have died in prison, no doubt about it em and eh, the eh advice eh eh of eh the the the alleged doctors is, is galling here because em Kenny MacAskill, the the so-called em Scottish Justice Secretary, … there’s not very much to do if you’re the Scottish Justice Secretary in a devolved eh eh Scottish eh eh Assembly, you could at least read the one important bit of news that has come across your desk in the last five years. Em, the problem, em that I think … the most galling about this whole thing is this pretend horrible charade building in Edinburgh called the Scottish Parliament and the horrible charade politicians who inhabit it and who occasionally call out of the eh darkness and explain something to the, to the rest of us em as if .. em as if … em we’ve we’ve we’ve em we’ve never thought of moral questions before. I mean, Kenny MacAskill and Alex Salmond, this horrible grandstanding em em mmm mmm you know em mickey mouse politicians have been parading round talking about the unique compassion of the Scottish people. Em ah em we are, we .. are uniquely compassionate, no one else feels compassion like me, I am feeling so compassionate at the moment I could hardly bear it.

Laughter from audience

Em … I

More loud laughter from audience

I don’t know, maybe I’m half compassionate, maybe I’m half, em my half missing … my English side. Em

Laughter from audience.

I think this is appalling. And the most appalling way to do politics and em I think this is, … no good can come from it from this institution, the Scottish em er Parliament . And er whilst it’s there and the union continues to fragment while mini nationalists like Salmond and Macaskill are around, while this continues, I say no good will come from it, and this … and this country will continue to be faced with these ridiculous figures making these ridiculous pronouncements which embarrass us all.
 
 
# northernshedboy 2010-08-23 23:57
Oops sorry. I'm working from the bottom up and just came across Diabloandco's post above. Eekk!! I hope I got the words right. Although I put in all the stutters as well - might as well give them the credit for all there energies I suppose.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 19:55
Sorry guys, I've just noticed that this standard response has been posted earler by BMC875. Still, in the days of personal service from this august broadcasting body, a bog-standard reply will do these oiks from the frozen north, eh?!! Whe we lived in London (Swinging Sixties) we were actually asked, "Do you have running water up there?". Yes darlin', it's called the River Clyde!
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-23 22:43
It's not so long ago that my daughter, who was living in Stoke-on-Trent for a short time, was asked by her neighbour if they had shops in Scotland.

Thankfully my daughter and her family are back living happily in 'wilderness' Scotland.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-23 19:56
We are all getting a stock reply from BBC,my one came very quickly is this happening to us all.
 
 
# Jediirnbru 2010-08-23 19:59
The more posts the better. It means we have a pretty good idea of how many complaints have been lodged with the BBC.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 20:08
Sorry folks, don't mean to hog this site, but I felt (as someone has already said) the need to respond to this banal reply. I've copied it below. How many other people have complaned to them? If yu have and get this response, then PLEASE write back to them - don't let it lie!

Thank you very much for the quick response. I note what you say and, as a long-time listener to any questions I am used to people expressing 'forceful' opinions. In this instance, however, whilst accepting that the views of the panelists are personal, and in no way representative of the BBC, the distinct impression gained by me, and, I can assure you, by very many other people in Scotland (as witnessed in the various websites/blogs I have checked), the impression we all have gained is one of xenophobia on the part of your panelists.
'So-called doctors' is no way to refer to eminent Scottish (and other) specialists in the field of cancer; 'so-called politicians' was directed at those in the Scottish government; 'so-called justice secretary' was directed at Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish justice secretary and 'sending all the other Scottish politicians (including Brown, Blair and Campbell) back to Scotland', seems to me to indicate that the common denominator was 'Scottish'. Had they said 'black' or 'Muslim' in lieu of Scottish, no doubt your reaction might be quite different.
There was also the fact that our chairman, Eddie Mair is Scottish and his 'interjectons' on these remarks were, to say the least, 'jocular'. He has obviously spent too much time furth of Scotland, or was mindful of safeguarding his job. One of your panelists, and one of the most vociferous, was even a governor of the BBC for 2 years! Shame!!
I myself worked in London for some six years in my early days and only realised how London-centric the world is from your metropolitan eyes when I returned to live in Scotland. I note that this impression is backed up by the fact that a lot of your personnel are refusing to move to Manchester, as part of the BBC's 'diversity' programme. Scotland is twice as far away, so what chance do we have?!
So, whilst accepting your explanation in the spirit in which it is given, I have to say that I am not convinced that the remarks of the panelists were not both racist and xenophobic; but no doubt we will have to beg to differ on that one. I should tell you that, such is the feeling up here, some people are talking of boycotting all BBC programmes and refusing to pay television licences; which would be a shame, as most of your programmes are very good. I can assure you that I am not a nationalist extremist (though I have now been well-and-truly convinced of the benefits of independence for England!), but a reasonably broad-minded and intelligent Scotsman, who feels his nation has been badly served and maligned by this particular edition of an otherwise enjoyable programme.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-23 20:13
Nice one Crazyhill!
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-23 20:19
Personally I hope that we hear a lot more anti Scottish rhetoric from the little Englanders from down south.
Look at what’s happening; more members for the SNP and about 20 new users on the newsnetscotland site today.
Please, long may it continue?
One of the best adverts for independence yet.

I see many guests are viewing this site and to echo pinkrose’s earlier post, I would also like to invite the guests to sign up. It’s easy, no commitments, no mail drops and totally free.

You can, if you want to, voluntary donate to maintain the site, if you so wish, no obligation.

The more members there are the better chance newsnetscotland has, in attracting advertising which helps fund this site.

So help make it the most popular political website around and Join up, and of course tell everyone you know about this site.

Btw; Bugger the Panda,

Your email, earlier, to Maajid Awaz was class. I had a good laugh at that one, keep it up.
 
 
# flying haggis 2010-08-23 20:51
Another cracking bit reporting worth printing and sticking up on the notice board at work
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:43
Kind of feed back do you get?
 
 
# Barontorc 2010-08-23 20:59
To all you newly signed-up nationalist thinkers; you are the lifeblood of the country's future and with the rest of us already committed to fair thinking for the future - do not be alarmed at the lack of visible progress against the anti-Scottish garbage now getting heavier and heavier.

Some are calling for action - but that's the agenda of knee jerk politics and we're not getting sucked in. The objective is fair-play for all of us Scots - welcome newcomers and the old and tired too.

Do you think for a minute that a list is not being drawn up into a strategy to repeal the offenses taken hourly from these unionists?

Racist comments, "Uncle Tom-isms", Asset stripping by the "Crown Estate" - All of these and plenty more are perfect recent examples of official anti-Scot abuse and all of them defy the spirit and logic necessary to a unionist arrangement.

Trust in the SNP to be watching and getting ready. Independence is coming.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-23 21:29
I like your analysis. Bit by bit, the reasons for the union are being removed - by the unionists themselves.

I agree, it is worth waiting for., and we should take our time to make sure our plans are well founded. The prize is too valuable to be rash.

Right now, let the evidence accumulate.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 21:32
SNP HQ already on the case. Let's hope that they get some publicity for whatever they put out. Sadly, not all Scots follow threads such as this, so those of us with Scotland's best interersts at heart must do all in our power to get the message across. Apart from the Scots Independent (Google it id you haven't sen it), thia is about the only outlet natonalists have fr their views. Both should be supported.
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-23 22:20
before yesterdays poll i believed that if Labour got back in charge here in Scotland it would be only for 4 years and the SNP would come back even stronger. There is certainly a shift towards independence. It is slow but it will happen. The Lib Dems conniving with the Tories will be their downfall .. lets hope the disillusioned voters turn to the SNP.
 
 
# steveb 2010-08-23 21:07
Brilliant stuff newsnet!
 
 
# Robabody 2010-08-23 21:09
Baroness Deech - Deech is the daughter of the late historian and journalist, Josef Fraenkel, who fled Vienna and then Prague from the Nazis in 1939. What disapointment this lady turned out to be - the Nazi's would have been proud of her for taking some of their tactics and using them against the Scots. Did your father not tell you what they were like? Clue:they slaughtered your race and here you are chuntering on like one of their finest. As for Douglas Murray, time you got the CSC vision statement out old bean and I suggest you start at word one of line one and then read the rest and absorb. You clearly missed something when you got the job. "Founded in 2007 to promote human rights, tolerance and greater cohesion among the UK's ethnic and religious communities and within wider British society" - looks like you've failed miserably on that one!
 
 
# floyd 2010-08-23 21:32
How you all doing,i'm new to commenting on newsnet but i've been reading it everyday for ages now,got to say this site is absolutely brilliant,great stuff!
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-23 21:59
Quoting floyd :
How you all doing,i'm new to commenting on newsnet but i've been reading it everyday for ages now,got to say this site is absolutely brilliant,great stuff!

I'm quite new myself but welcome! :-)
 
 
# scotnotbrit 2010-08-23 21:58
i got the stock reply , metropolitan rubbish ....britain is a turd
 
 
# floyd 2010-08-23 22:06
cheers Taldor83 :)

I've sent my complaint to the beeb,no doubt i'll get the same reply as everyone else.
 
 
# scottydug 2010-08-23 22:06
I have just e-mailed the following to one of the "so called panellists" from "Any Questions"

Dear Mr Murray,
I have listened to your recent ill informed and inflammatory remarks on "Any Questions"
If you were referring to any other section of society you would surely be in danger of court action.
We on the other hand have a history of understanding and (by your own admission) a remarkable capacity for compassion, so you will no doubt continue in your delusive world which centres around yourself and your anglocentric beliefs.
I thank you for your comments which have now been aired to many of my fellow countrymen who, until now have assumed chaps like you were people to be looked up to, mistakenly assuming of course that you really had the best interests of us all at heart. They will no longer be under that impression and for that I thank you.
Deluded you may be but also willing to demonstrate that to a wider audience.
Yes some of us north of the border still listen to the BBC, although it is becoming more difficult lately to remain composed whilst enduring contributions such as yours.
I notice you have an interest in social cohesion.
I think a a change of approach may be required in order to progress the initiative suggested by the laudable title of the organisation. Failing that, then a change of title to the organisation may be more apt.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-23 22:35
Beam me up, Scottydug! That will put his gas at a peep - well for a second or so. The guy is, by his own admission, half-Scottish - obviously that will be the half containing his rectum!
Live long and prosper!
 
 
# Dougie Douglas 2010-08-23 23:35
Stunned

I can't believe this - I posted some comments on The Scotsman yesterday which contained a link to this site. This morning I have been banned from comment.

Jobs for today:-

Email all my ex pat friends here in Australia urging them to visit this site.

Email all friends and relatives in Scotland urging them to visit this site.

Join the SNP (after 25 years of pondering it and letting the minutiae of my life destract me).

Set up a weekly paypal payment of 10 quid a week to newsnet scotland.

The actions of the Scottish media are clearly biased against the SNP, we need to restore this most basic democratic tenet from the ground up.
 
 
# Kinghob 2010-08-23 23:39
I have recorded the section from the bbc 'ask questions' using the recording facility on my iphone and made my own comments throughout whilst allowing the rather inept and misinformed opinions to be clearly aired by these third rate amateur panellists.

How do I get this out? Should I use youtube, can I burn it onto a disc and send it to people who might upload it to websites.

I am a mere pleb but upon listening back I not only laughed at the restrained anger and the comments, (I know this sounds a bit like over promoting my wit) but the scene actually comes across as if I was a panelist myself, something that surprised but delighted me.

I'll play it at work tomorrow and see what some others think, but it must be said the slight intervention involved really makes the panelists come across as absolutely clueless, and I will contribute £40 to the Pakistani appeal.

This is not because of the misinformed (about Scotland) female panelist that banged on about this earlier in this quite amateurish and desperately one side program, but because a colleague of mine is collecting for that appeal at work, and he is a Pakistani who respects Scotland and her institutions better than these absolutely clownish commentators and he lives here and does so by choice because, astonishingly he likes the place and the people, the very people these cheese mechanics on the panel denigrated.

That respect for Scotland and for a person is mutual, it works both ways and these people on this radio show denigrated and ridiculed that by default with their misinformed and half baked diatribes.

The Ladylord type who stated that like some of the other panelists her mother was Scottish should have felt ashamed after her own rather inept and churlish rant, hope her maw tells her off!
 
 
# Dougie Douglas 2010-08-23 23:49
Kinghob

Why not upload to youtube and then email all friends a link to the page. Of course you can always link to your youtube piece from democracy friendly locations like this also. (Don't try linking from the Scotsman).

This would be the easiest and most efficient way to disseminate it.

Please spread the word!
 
 
# Kinghob 2010-08-23 23:52
On the subject of media bias, they really do not like it if you complain, but you must stick strongly to what was said and allow them the real worry if they stray from being unbiased as far as the general tone and indeed right to reply is concerned.

I saw in the standard reply to complaints, (more detailed than usual from the bbc), that other commentators on Newsnet have shown on here, that they are stating clearly that 'balance' is achieved by completely separate programs where a Scottish politician has explained these issues......this is actually not how balance is achieved, and the bbc now this full well.

Concentrating in subsequent replies that the host obviously failed completely to provide a balance (his questions were answered by pure innuendo, and there were fewer interventions (2 where a statement was slightly challenged as to its veracity) than normal and nothing even close, on any level, to an alternate opinion or view.

That attacks on the institutions of Scotland, and Scotland in general were used by these nobodies to rant against the idea of a Parliament where we get 'the choice to go it alone-or the permission to do so") was the ultimate goal of at least two panelists.

The original question of the release " were the Scottish Government "sensible" to release megrahi" was not actually answered and indeed it was a stupid question.
 
 
# Scottish republic 2010-08-23 23:56
""""one of the worst displays of anti Scottish xenophobia and borderline racism ever broadcast by a modern day broadcaster.""""

If Scottish politicians and public figures had behaved the way this bunch did there would be an outcry.
 
 
# G. P. Walrus 2010-08-24 05:56
I haven't got the reply to my complaint yet.
One point on the "balanced across the series" argument. (This is ludicrous anyway, surely Fergus Ewing would have to have been spouting anti-English bile from Lochinver to balance last Friday's content)
Anyhow, I seem to remember that the BBC insisted on strict balance in their reporting of the Israeli attack on Gaza a while back. Every report of the massive destruction and loss of Palestinian life had to be accompanied by discussion of Hamas firing Katyusha rockets across the border at Israeli settlements.
I'm not expressing any opinion on that policy other than it was emphatically stressed by BBC management, in response to the heavy criticism they were getting for appearing to equate rocket attacks with full-scale onslaught, that every programme had to be balanced. There was no wishy-washy balancing across a series then. I think this is a very weak point in the Radio 4 response and, if I ever get a reply, I will be focussing on that element.
In the meantime I am letting as many people as possible know about this broadcast and pointing them to this site.
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-24 06:46
As a long time visitor to this site I have been cheered by the response to last week’s “Any Questions” programme. However, despite lodging a complaint about this programme, I have yet to receive a reply.
Perhaps they have just got fed up responding or more hopefully they have been overwhelmed by the number of complaints?
I posted my comments on the contact page for the programme. Does anyone suggest another place to complain?
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-24 06:51
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-24 07:17
Thanks for the link, my complaint has been sent
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-24 07:10
Yes, ofcom.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:45
effin ofcom? in the middle o middin with these guys at the mo.
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-24 17:45
I e-mailed Deech and Murray directly, telling them exactly what I felt about them.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-24 07:08
Do not accept the standard reply. There is a full complaints procedure to be exhausted at the BBC, ultimately ending up with the BBC trust.

In addition, do not forget ofcom the media regulator.

If all else fails via complaining, it would be worth exploring if the equality and human rights commission would take matters forward.

I have looked very closely at what was said, and sadly for Ruth Deech, in her response, she eventually said;


QUOTE : ".....go off on your own, because actually, we're all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons, and if they want to show how independent they are, ok, thank you and goodbye."

In this specific part, she was not referring to Scottish politicians, or the Scottish parliament, but rather to Scottish people or the country Scotland. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

Either way, that one piece of her rant was absolutely xenophobic and quite likely racist.

In that one piece, she implies;

1. Scots are all subsidised by state benefits - this is not only untrue, but a derogatory slur aimed not at Scottish politicians or the Scottish parliament, but to the Scottish people as a collective group.

2. All Scots (not Scottish politicians or the Scottish parliament) should leave. I can only assume in that context she means 'leave England'.

So, the standard response is just the beginning. Respond, and drill down on to what was actually said, and importantly base your complaint on what any REASONABLY MINDED PERSON MIGHT INFER from the comments.

Stick to facts, focus on key points, and demand specific responses to specific points such as those above.

If the response to the complaints procedure at the BBC is unsatisfactory, then the next step is to take your complaint to the BBC trust located here;


www.bbc.co.uk/.../index.shtml

To do this, you need to first use the standard complaints procedure, and be unhappy with the response.
 
 
# floyd 2010-08-24 07:16
I've just received the same reply from the bbc,i'm starting to think they have a reply machine that churns out any old guff to anyone that complains.
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-24 07:22
Respond to their reply. Ask detailed questions, tell them you know they are using a standard response.

I could be wrong but - it is my experience that large companies and corporations have 'break-points' where, based on the number of arisings, the problem must be elevated.

Good luck.
 
 
# floyd 2010-08-24 07:44
Second complaint has just been sent to the bbc. I'm going to email one to ofcom as well and the Baroness.
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-24 08:03
Did anyone listen to the whole thing? I happened to flick through it wondering about the other questions and at 31 minutes (approx) when they were talking bout aid going to Pakistan they said "We embrace everyone"

Doesn't sound like it from 5 minutes later to me.
 
 
# sid 2010-08-24 08:03
I think the gentlman from "any questions is on Radio Scotland right now . it's time to call kay come on ladies and gentlemen now is our chance.
Sid
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-24 08:41
Just phoned the programme to complain about Mr Murray’s presence and commented on his appearance on any Questions

Call 0500 92 95 00
 
 
# clachangowk 2010-08-24 08:41
As we all get het up over the comments made, let's not overlook that Murray and Deech are obviously not Unionists and should be getting our support as they fight for an independent England.

It is unfortunate that they use such emotive language but they obviously feel strongly about getting rid of Scotland so we should excuse them on this occasion and encourage them to continue in their campaign.

The BBC should be encouraged to broadcast such programmes in England since this is great material for English separatists. I really do not care which comes first - English or Scottish Independence
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-08-24 08:51
First time poster,been lurking a while. Baroness Deech has radicalised me, to the extent I am considering SNP membership. She is really quite high up in the English legal establishment, so whether or not her views are personal, they carry a certain authority. She has apparently been a BBC governor as well. Any way just to say I made a complaint to the BBC as well, requesting that they did not send the form letter they have been passing off, and assuring them that if I was not satisfied, I would take the complaint further
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-24 08:54
Good thinking clachangowk, my sentiments exactly.

Welcome!
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-24 09:05
I have just had the standard response as previous posters.

Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

Time to take it further!
 
 
# spagan 2010-08-24 09:09
bbc.co.uk/.../...

Just suggested on Eddie Mair's PM Blog that he gets Baroness Deech on to apologise for her remarks!
Slainte Mhor
 
 
# GrassyKnollington 2010-08-24 09:19
Interesting to pause and contemplate how the R4 people are discussing this between themselves.

I suspect it's along the lines of the legendary "send the S.O.B the bug letter" but it does raise the issue of how they view us.

We're obviously not "them" and can be referred to as a possession which can be disposed of or let go. We aren't afforded the status or respect of a nation but are treated as an irritating appendage of which they've frankly had enough.

It hardly supports the notion of a respectful union of two nations does it?

The unionist propaganda machine teetered along the independence high wire for years in Scotland with a constant drip drip of feckless subsidy junkie soundbites. They were never intended for English ears as it was us they had to keep in the dark and feed sh*t to.

This radio programme shows that the message is now embedded in England.

I'm curious about Eddie Mair's private reaction. Unionist gloating? Detached Brit unconcern? Or a vague feeling that someone who had once been him had been insulted but that person was so far back he didn't quite know how to respond?

He actually behaved as if they didn't mean him at all when they talked of sending all the Scots back to Scotland.

Perhaps someone should gently take him aside and say, "Hey Eddie. That's you that is."
 
 
# Mac 2010-08-24 10:54
Eddie Mair is renowned for skewering politicians and the like with a sharp response. So Eddie Mair's non-response to the rantings of two of the metropolitan elite means he, like the editor and the producer of the programme, was in on it. This was a deliberately provoked anti-Scottish response that resonated with the audience - The Scots are to blame, they embarrass the rest of us, they are subsidy junkies, send them back where they come from - the only thing missing from this lynch-mob radio programme was a rope.

So in order to make 'good radio' Eddie Mair was prepared to sacrifice the good name of Scots and Scotland.

Eddie Mair has travelled much further than the 370 miles between Dundee and London. He appears to be living on another planet.
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-08-24 09:22
Just got the standard reply.
Once more into the breach (damn, that's my English ancestry........)
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-24 09:23
Just heard that the Secretary for Education in the Scottish Government has taken this up personally with the BBC. I think this will go higher up the BBC hierarchy than the 'standard response computer'! Keep pushing and welcome to the club all of you who have just decided to join the SNP. What did it for me was returning from living in London and realising how badly Scotland fared within the 'union' - and that was forty years ago!!
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-24 09:29
Apologies all round. Misread the Facebook entry from MR which is attached:

"I have heard of it from others. So I understand have lots of non nats who are as incensed and many of whom have been in touch with the BBC who - for once perhaps - will ( I hope) take such a lapse in broadcasting standards seriously"
 
 
# birnie 2010-08-24 11:53
BBC Scotland obviously don't give a monkey's for the widespread and deep-felt offence caused. Their response - invite Douglas Murray to appear on Call Kaye this morning (for a fee, presumably) to debate issues cocerned with public protest demonstrations. I heard no reference to his comments on Any Questions. If this isn't the BBC putting two fingers up to their Scottish audience, I don't know what is!
 
 
# M3ROB 2010-08-24 12:15
Hi all, first time here.

I'm not a big SNP supporter... at least, not yet anyway, but I heard the comments made on any questions on Saturday morning and was absolutely shocked, i couldn't believe what i was hearing, unbelievable.
Any way i complained to the BBC last night and got the same response(at 1pm in the morning?) so i've complained about the response.
It wasn't just what Deech and the other en said, it was the patronizing sniggering comments made by the other panelists that got me. Eddie should have said something.

I live and work in England and i felt like an unwanted foreigner being told to go home.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-24 15:22
M3ROB, I worked in England years ago and I WAS told to go home, along with the 'Chocolate Drops' (guess who?). There is a very latent xenophobia lurking behind the mild-mannered, warm beer front of our friends in the south. Any Questions brought it out. Labour Government=Scots=recession=lower house prices+higher prices=BAD! Seemples!!
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:46
careful
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-24 12:27
I also have sent a complaint about this drivel that passed for a radio show. I await the high and mighty response. Told them im certain they wont accept responsiblility but they are wrong and i will respond to their reply taking it much further.
 
 
# ScotiaWarden 2010-08-24 12:52
I've replied to the standard BBC Complaint response in relation to our complaints and have also received a reply from my local MSP, Wendy Alexander, who stated she plans to listen to the broadcast and thanked me for beginning it to her attention. I have also been prompted to apply for membership with the SNP.
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-24 13:35
As per ScotiaWarden, I have also e-mailed My MP & MSP.

Both are Lib Dems amd my MSP is Mike Rumbles; so given his rabid anti SNP commnents last week on the relaese of Megrahi, it will be interesting to hear his responce?
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-24 19:12
I am sure his take on it will be 'they were not actually talking about me they were talking about the SNP'.

He should be nicknamed Mike (Belly) rumbles.
 
 
# Hirta 2010-08-24 14:48
O/T

Can we have a twitter and facebook follow us on here. Just another way to get more folks reading and following newsnet :)
 
 
# george davie 2010-08-24 15:14
For any new posters !!!

Can I bring to your attention the “Tell 5 to Tell 5” campaign?

Purpose?

To bring to the attention of the Scottish public the following.

• The existence of “Newsnet Scotland”- www.newsnetscotland.com

• Petitions regarding the flying of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle & the return of the William Wallace safe conduct letter to Scotland - epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../

• The petition for Scottish independence - www.scottishindependenceconvention.com

Encourage people to do the following.

1. Visit Newsnet Scotland and join in the debate

2. Sign the e-petitions on the Scottish Parliament’s website

3. Sign the petition for Scottish Independence

4. Pass on this communication to 5 others AND ask them to pass on to 5 others

5. Copy – paste - distribute! (handout, post, phone, e-mail to a friend, leave in waiting areas, etc)

It would appear that things are beginning to move!!!
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-24 19:22
Hi george davie probably best to tell people exactly where the petitions are cos I tried to find them and gave up until I got that information from a post above.

The saltire over Edinburgh petition is found here,

epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../


and currently has 721 signatures - which isn't bad, so far

The Wallace letter petition is here;

epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../


And currently has 2572 signatures.
 
 
# Jediirnbru 2010-08-24 19:30
That's odd, it was at 721 before I signed it! Dammit, I mustve done something wrong! Hmmm
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-24 19:46
No, it's probably me that did something wrong, I just pasted that from another post earlier.
 
 
# Jediirnbru 2010-08-24 20:44
Yeah it's cool, it's up to 734 now
 
 
# Don’t you hate the SNP 2010-08-24 19:42
Quoting george davie:
For any new posters !!!

Can I bring to your attention the “Tell 5 to Tell 5” campaign?

Purpose?

To bring to the attention of the Scottish public the following.

• The existence of “Newsnet Scotland”- www.newsnetscotland.com

• Petitions regarding the flying of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle & the return of the William Wallace safe conduct letter to Scotland - epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/.../

• The petition for Scottish independence - www.scottishindependenceconvention.com

Encourage people to do the following.

1. Visit Newsnet Scotland and join in the debate

2. Sign the e-petitions on the Scottish Parliament’s website

3. Sign the petition for Scottish Independence

4. Pass on this communication to 5 others AND ask them to pass on to 5 others

5. Copy – paste - distribute! (handout, post, phone, e-mail to a friend, leave in waiting areas, etc)

It would appear that things are beginning to move!!!



Good point George, we really shouldn’t forget the “Tell 5 to Tell 5” campaign

You really shouldn’t forget the “Tell 5 to Tell 5” campaign

We really shouldn’t forget to tell people about Newsnet Scotland.

You really shouldn’t forget to tell people about Newsnet Scotland.

We really shouldn’t forget the petitions regarding the flying of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle & the return of the William Wallace safe conduct letter to Scotland.

You really shouldn’t forget the petitions regarding the flying of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle & the return of the William Wallace safe conduct letter to Scotland.

We really shouldn’t forget to sign the petition for Scottish Independence. ( Not to sign is like you oppose Scottish Independence)

You really shouldn’t forget to sign the petition for Scottish Independence. ( Not to sign is like you oppose Scottish Independence)

We really shouldn’t forget to pass on anything about the campaign to five other people, and ask them to do the same.

You really shouldn’t forget to pass on anything about the campaign to five other people, and ask them to do the same.
 
 
# mato21 2010-08-24 18:38
Have just received a reply to a complaint I made in July! apparently they have been experiencing severe technical problems
 
 
# Vakov2000 2010-08-24 18:45
On the subject of the Saltire over Edinburgh Castle. Actually Edinburgh seems to be awash with union flags flying. Even the Scotlands People building has the union flag flying from the highest point. Even though as I understand it Scottish Government guidelines state that from government buildings the Saltire should fly from the highest point!
 
 
# Jediirnbru 2010-08-24 18:53
I was the top of the museum at the weekend and I'd have to say the the number of saltires on view outnumbered union flags by quite a large margin. It was quite good to see. The union flag above the castle however is bigger than them all put together!! It is enormous
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2010-08-24 18:57
Uni 'Rag week' could change that.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-24 19:41
I quite agree.

In the past, the defence for flying the Union rag over Edinburgh castle, was that it was an army garrison, and I heard this many times as I was growing up in Edinburgh.

Now it seems, that army presence, is mainly ceremonial, with most troops barracked elsewhere.

Growing up in Edinburgh, I can't ever remember ever hearing a Scot say it was really good to have the union flag on the castle. In fact the reverse is true, I often hear people complain about it - especially now, as they have just installed a new enormous one.

I regard it as the shame of Scotland and Scots, that we allow somebody else in England to tell us what flag we can fly on the best known landmark in the Scottish capital.

I will literally stand in the street and cheer out loud, the day I see that dreadful union rag taken down from the castle.

Forget the parthenon on Calton Hill, that blasted flag is the real 'Edinburgh's disgrace'.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-24 18:58
Pick a building Vakov2000 and we'll all send letters.

After all, we are a pressure group now!

Just give as much details as you can, on address etc.
 
 
# Vakov2000 2010-08-24 19:16
General Register House, Edinburgh. A time back I read the flag flying guidance read the Saltire must adopt the superior position from government buildings of which GRS is one. They have 3 flags the union and Saltire on a lower equal setting and a second union flag in the superior position. However isn't Historic Scotland owners of Edinburgh Castle part of the Scottish Government? Does the Union flag issue arise from the army museum? So do we pressurise the SNP to fly the Saltire or what....
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:49
If that was happening in my city, Dundee, I would notice and ask who's flying those flags?

And why? And why not the Saltire?
 
 
# fay fae fife 2010-08-24 18:54
I just got my Any Questions? reply - the same one as everyone else. So pleased, I was starting to feel a little left out! haha
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:51
Good on you writing in the first place. I haven't yet but am pleased so many others have.
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-24 18:59
Just written to Ofcom. I don't see any point in taking the matter further with the BBC.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I complained to BBC about racially offensive remarks made by panellists Deech and Murray on the Radio 4 Any Questions programme broadcast on 20 August, 2010.

Deech and Murray were asked a specific question on al-Megrahi. Instead of answering the question they went off on a different tack and ridiculed Scottish politicians and the Scottish parliament. So far, so good. No complaint there. They then went further and made slanderous and racially offensive remarks about the Scottish people in general. At no time during the tirades from Deech and Murray did the programme presenter, Eddie Mair, intervene or pull them up about their remarks.

One remark in particular from the panelist Deech was a slur on the whole Scottish race. Quote: ".....go off on your own, because actually, we're all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons..."

In reply I received what can only be termed as a fob off letter (Reference CAS-259230). The letter stated that the presenter intervened on several points to challenge the panellists. This is most definitely not the case.

They then go on to state that balance is acheived since "On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision to "to grant the compassionate early release of a dying man." I ask you; how can balance be acheived on a programme were racist remarks are allowed to go unchallenged by anyone present? It seems to be the BBC's (rather stupid) contention, that since Ewing was broadcast some four weeks previously, he was able to contradict the slurs cast by the panellists Deech and Murray at the time of that programme being broadcast.

Since it would appear that I shall receive no satisfaction from the BBC, I refer the matter to you.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-24 23:56
I like this, well said Jimbo
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-24 20:40
Don't hold your breath Jimbo! Still, the more we pursue the issue, the more the authorities will take notice (or will they?!). I notice that not one single newspaper has taken this up, even as an excuse for castigating 'extreme natonalists'. Strange, the 'X Factor' was plastered all over the press and 'Lord Foulkes of Numptyville' attacked the SNP for something or other. Just shows where Scotland lies in their list of priorities - especially the 'Scottish' titles. Perhaps we should re-focus the campaign (as it seems now to be) on writing letters to the press, to see what response that will gather.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-25 00:34
Email back from my mum


Hello Gillian,

I did hear this and listened again on BBC iplayer. I'm absolutely fizzing but it does give a good idea of how little they think of Scotland. The audience's applause underlined that. As part of one of the emails put it, Scotland cannot rely on London to represent our best interests also the gas and oil from Scottish waters has been keeping the UK afloat for 30 years., I was ashamed when Douglas Murray announced that he was part Scottish. This man is twisted in any case and a neoconservative into the bargain. Google him for an eye opener.
I'll have to go and put the stuff that should be in the freezer in and will look again at your email re newsnet later.

Love,
Mum
x
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-25 06:55
Dear Jimbo,

I have also made a complaint to OFCOM from their website. The site will only accept up to 750 characters so could not make all of the points made in your letter.
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-25 09:11
Mr A

I tried their site - kept coming back that I had to fill in all boxes marked, then coming back 750 characters, then back to fill in all boxes marked. Quite frustrating. After about 10 attempts I decided to do it the old fashioned way. Sometimes I wonder if they make it difficult on purpose.
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-25 07:15
Having had my comments on Mair returned as being " off topic or any old excuse will do, I followed up with a query and a statement.
Up popped a "you already said this at 1"
missive.
Anyone else had this experience?
 
 
# bankieboy 2010-08-25 10:14
The quickest response ever from the BBC and, strangely, similar to the other ones. Ms feinstein's phone must be non-stop unless, of course, it is a standard response!

Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:

“I’m sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

etc etc etc etc etc
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-08-25 10:26
If you get the first letter, complain through the web form again - you must indicate your dissatisfaction with the first form letter and state the action you want (apology, proper chairmanship, editing, heads on pikes etc)
 
 
# Training Day 2010-08-25 11:54
Just joined the members area - must commend Newsnet Scotland for the increasing excellence of its articles, a superb antidote to the regurgitation of (mostly Labour) press releases which masquerades as 'news' and, even more laughably, as 'journalism' in the MSM. I have added my complaints to those above about 'Any Questions'. The BBC is now irrelevant to Scotland's needs.
 
 
# ScotiaWarden 2010-08-25 12:38
Hey Guys, is it best to complain about the response via the email address from which it was sent or through the web form complaint system? I simply replied via the email address -- staying on topic, I actually receieved a reply in regards to the "BBC Radio 4: Any Questions" from Iain Gray, which is surprising because he has yet to reply to my previous email regarding Glasgow City Council. For those who are interested, here it is:

"The remarks made with regard to the Scottish Parliament are certainly intemperate, and ill informed and I do object to the assumption that Scotland wishes to be independent since all the evidence is to the contrary. However free speech is a core freedom, no matter how much we dislike the views expressed. I appreciate that you feel this programme went beyond the boundaries of free speech, and of course you should raise that with the BBC.

yours sincerely

Iain Gray"
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-25 13:49
Mr. Gray could be in dangerous territory - or maybe he just does not know!

UK Freedom of Speech legislation is different to most other countries. UK law imposes a number of limitations on freedom of speech not found in some other jurisdictions. For example, its laws recognise the crimes of incitement to racial hatred and incitement to religious hatred.
en.wikipedia.org/.../...
 
 
# Robabody 2010-08-25 17:53
Weak, weak, weak!
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-25 12:42
I see Mr Gray is being very helpful and supportive? NOT!!
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-25 12:44
Qhuess what. I have made another complaint to the BBC On-line News.

"For some time now I have noticed a blurring of UK news with English news. The latest example of this headlines as 'School truancy increases again' - this is on this page - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk/. As you will see, it refers only to English schools.

Given your recent bigoted transmission of Any Questions, I would hate for anyone to think you had something against Scotland."
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-25 14:03
I have also received the bog standard reply everyone else got from the BBC regarding the shameful 'any questions' radio 4 show. I have again responded and sent another email to BBC Complants Alice Fernstein.

Alice Fernstein had said that the behaviour of 'some Scottish politicians' had been debated. I just responded saying infact it was just the 'SNP Scottish Government' politicians who were slandered. This Alice does like to cherry pick what she quoted doesnt she. Racism is wrong, Mair failed to intervene with Deech and Murray on Megrahi instead they veered off on wild tangents and indulged with attacks on Scots. That was the gist of my long reply to her and an apology would suffice.

I know hell will freeze over first before Scotland gets an apology from the BBC. Just like it will freeze over when the Grayman sticks up for Scotland...imagine racism in reverse by Scots on the English, he would think all his birthdays had come at once. What a loathsome little sell-out he is. Him a first minister? Grays not fit to tie his own shoelaces.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-25 16:53
We must nail the point when we respond to this rather dismissive response.

The point is this, the comments were not just about Scottish politicians or the Scottish Government. The comments were aimed at the entire democratic institution of the Scottish Parliament. In addition, Ruth Deech specifically commented on Scottish people, when she said;

QUOTE "....and off you go, and go off on your own, because actually, we're all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons....,"

It is abundantly clear she is referring to Scots from the context, and not just to Scottish politicians.

Douglas Murray, quite specifically made derogatory comments regarding the Scottish Parliament and ALL the politicians elected to serve there. He said;

QUOTE; "....the most galling thing about this whole thing, is this pretend horrible charade of a building in Edinburgh called the Scottish Parliament and eh the horrible charade politicians who inhabit it, and who occasionally crawl out of the darkness, and explain something to the rest of us...."

He was not just criticising the SNP Government, but actually attacking the entire democratic process in Scotland.

Neither of these disgraceful set of comments, were in any way related to the original question.

Eddie Mair said nothing.

So, sorry Alice Fernstein, how about you actually listen to what was said, instead of fobbing people off with patronising ignorant platitudes.

We have the transcripts, and we are NOT going away.


Oh, one final point, NEVER forget to highlight the fact that it was the panellists themselves who described what was said as ;


QUOTE "...anti Scottish rhetoric on this programme..."


This was said BY the actual panellists, so it really is false to try to suggest it was anything other than pure unadulterated anti Scottish rhetoric.
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-25 14:18
Just Heard back from the Any Question Editor:
Thank you for your comments about Any Questions? 20th/21st August 2010.

I am sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of
the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.
Any Questions? aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of
the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In
this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism
of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these
comments as racist: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed,
were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish
politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more
generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair,
intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments
that were made.

Any Questions achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of
venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in
the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP
to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are
balanced over the series: On 23rd July 2010 the programme came from
Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the
Scottish Parliament and Kenny Macaskill's decision to "to grant the
compassionate early release of a dying man". We also encourage a range
of opinion by inviting listeners to call in to Any Answers? and
challenge the opinions that they hear on Any Questions?.

The views expressed by the panellists are not necessarily shared by the
BBC. The Panellists reveal themselves in the comments they choose to
make and we leave it to listeners to make up their own minds about what
they hear.

I do hope you will continue to listen to Any Questions?

The Any Questions? Editor

It says it all!
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-25 14:59
Just made a sticker for the car!

For more truthful news visit
newsnetscotland .com.

There it sits andwiched twixt the saltires!
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-25 15:01
Actually , its SANDWICHED twixt the saltires
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-25 15:25
Diabloandco, how did you make it?
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-25 15:36
On a seperate note, I read the Scottish Sun today (Don't judge me! It was there on the table at lunch!!) and there was, what can best be described as, luke warm support for the SNP.

They had blazened on their front page about drink related violence in Glasgow and how the chief Constable is in complete support of minimum pricing. Might have been only a small piece of support in a tiny part of the article but it's something at least!
 
 
# Diabloandco 2010-08-25 16:43
Just typed it up and ,being a luddite , used sellotape and scissors!

I also defaced a publication in a hospital waiting room this morning - the next person to try that crossword is going to wonder why news / net /scotland .com/ sits in strange areas and certainly does not answer the clues!
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-25 17:00
Hi all, I received a reply from my MSP directing me to the BBC complaints page suggesting I make a formal complaint.
 
 
# takhisis1 2010-08-25 18:11
have you told he or she that it makes no difference as they just reply with a bog standard statement saying how impartial they are
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-25 17:04
There has been discussions on the RD4 message board. Some incredulous statements.
bbc.co.uk/.../...
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-25 20:50
Jimbonet awaits with trepidation his first ever post being moderated and posted on this site.

It would appear from a comment on this particular thread that Newsnet or reference to it has been banned on this site. I would contest the rights of the BBC, a network paid for at public expense, to censor links to other news agencies.
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-25 18:29
Gill,
Quite ludicrous statements. They dont appear to be very well educated.
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-25 18:37
Innit? ;-D
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-25 21:00
'Innit' a faux Englishman indeed. It's style of diverting the thread from the subject is very similar to that of a prominant, self-important poster in the Scotsman comments sections. It is also aware of Newsnet and commented on Newsnet being banned from the site.
 
 
# scotnotbrit 2010-08-25 21:54
these trolls almost never get banned , as they dont post politics , just abuse ,and abuse is almost always preferable in some circles to the radical idea of taking (not striking) a stance , radicalism is almost dead , we have all just accepted the current capitalist consumerist monkey dance as an inevitable human destination , talk about it with enough candour and you will be bumped ...call people morag or hamish ....s'just a joke , innit ?
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-25 22:08
I make a point of never responding to them.

They depend on others responding to their abuse/insults/drivel in order to feed off them and disrupt the thread. Those who respond give the troll some sense of self-importance and credibility. If everyone was to totally ignore them their posts would just stand out as the stupid comments that they are.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-26 10:55
Quoting Jimbo:
I make a point of never responding to them.

They depend on others responding to their abuse/insults/drivel in order to feed off them and disrupt the thread. Those who respond give the troll some sense of self-importance and credibility. If everyone was to totally ignore them their posts would just stand out as the stupid comments that they are.


Absolutely correct Jimbo, just completely ignore them, they feed off your reply/comments.

They use, insults, denigration and name calling (note; Labour party tactics) like; braveheart, cybernat etc. Just to divert away from the facts.

Their only wanting someone to take the bait.

Just keep ignoring them and make your point. That will make them more angry.
 
 
# scotnotbrit 2010-08-25 22:07
as an insensetive young man i once refered to someone as "mad" martin , he left the room in a strop, only to burst back in with a face contorted with a mad black fury ...." how would you like it if i called you HAGGIS FACE ? " he screamed semi coherently .....the whole room dissolved into fits of laughter , martin left reduced to tears ......sticks and stones eh ? i'm not proud
 
 
# cjmasta 2010-08-25 23:30
I sent a complaint to BBC Scotland months ago when they gave Wendy Alexander free air time to spout out unrelavent (to the story) bile against the SNP whilst going completely unchallenged by the shows presenter. She wasn`t the only one that was allowed to do this either with all the main opposition (unionist) parties present in the studio and no SNP member to defend any of the cr*p being preached to the viewers of the show. It was like they were allowed their own ppb of which they all act in a very negative manner as a rule. Needless to say my reply made my blood boil as they excused themselves and didn`t address the spacifics of my complaint. Having listened to Any Questions I was in no doubt at the extreme xenophobicness of the comments. There is a substantial part of the population who have that arrogence about them which they think entitles them to make such comments towards the Scots whilst they probably wouldn`t dream of directing them at others. If the tactics used to put us down and ultimately hold on to us were never used then we would be the best of friends as independant neighbours by now and treat each other with the repect due but as the UK there is growing resentment on both sides. If the sho was on the other foot there would have been an uproar. I agree with those who recognise the need for positive campaigning and getting the message out to as many folks as possible. Hard to be positive though with all the bile printed and shown in the media but it does get my back up and make me dive for the printer and newsnet. Tomorrow i will be leaving a pile on the bus of the printed article from on here yesterday about the way our oil wealth has been squandered and i will leave some on the potential of the reniewables industry to Scotland also. If you`re getting the 62 bus in Glasgow tomorrow you may well see some.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-26 00:58
cjmasta

Not in any way to detract from your contribution I would advise you to paragraph your work.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-26 06:52
Are you by any chance a school teacher??

Sure, paragraphs can make text easier to read, but are you sure you intended your comment to sound quite so severe.

Your prose is most certainly not perfect either.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-26 22:06
Ha ha school teacher? No. My dad was though.

I do not wish a negative exchange with you and I didn't mean to come over all teachy and certainly not severe.

It's a general observation that chunking text assists the reader in understanding the context. It helps me.
I will try and improve my prose most certainly not perfect.

Anyway how would you word the same?
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-26 00:30
Outraged? trying to use other threads tech no olgy is a waste of my good time.
newsnet is using the best tech I've seen for interactiveness
Facebook would like some of that I'm sure

I'm a writer so therefore I edit

BBC RD4 message board cluncks and looks like they allow peeps who don't get out
 
 
# Aucheorn 2010-08-26 08:42
Standard reply from BBC R4.

On to the next stage.
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-26 09:53
I'll have some seriously hurt feelings if I don't get a standard reply as well!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-26 10:09
Is this a private blogfest or can anyone join in?

If anyone is interested, my e-mail to Maajid Awaz

# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-23 18:08

has not received a reply.

Maybe he thinks it was unnecessary
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-08-26 11:46
Baroness Deech has replied to postings on her Blog as follows:

Baroness Deech
Posted on 25/08/2010 at 05:34 pm |Permalink |

This obsessing (especially about my origins – somewhat sinister) is misplaced. The issue is whether devolution is workable or whether independence would be better. Most of the rest of the world attributed the decision to release Al Megrahi to the UK, not to Scotland. There are other issues such as Scots discrimination against English students in relation to tuition fees, and the W. Lothian question, which are beginning to persuade me that full independence is inevitable. If that comes about, everyone will have to decide which citizenship they hold, and who is eligible to sit as an MP in the UK Parliament. Those whose citizenship is Scots may not be able to. That is the logical outcome and that is what I was referring to in the very few seconds allowed.

I have left a reply (which is in the process of being approved) as follows:

Dear Baroness Deech,
I am pleased that you have decided to respond to the furore that your comments have caused. It is a pity that you were not so precise and measured on the day of recording, as there is nothing to offend in the later statement. From your reply it seems that you do not understand what has caused offence. Politics is a rough old trade, but one should really address the politicians and not the people. For me at least, your assertion that “……we’re all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons……..” is factually wrong and grossly offensive. It puts you in company with Kelvin MacKenzie, the well known intellectual. If by any chance your meaning has been misinterpreted, now might be the time to indicate it.
 
 
# birnie 2010-08-26 12:35
The dear baroness still doesn't get it - "If (full independence) comes about, everyone will have to decide which citizenship they hold, and who is eligible to sit as an MP in the UK parliament"!

If full independence comes about, there will be no UK parliament as far as Scots are concerned - no United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, perhaps a UK of England, Wales and Northern Ireland. But I suspect she is still conflating UK with England.
 
 
# truth 2010-08-27 10:41
Firstly, English students are not discriminated against. They have a separate education system within the UK. European students DO NOT have a separate education system within the UK, so are therefore treated differently to English students. It is a simple strucctural anomaly, most certainloy NOT discrimination.

As for the West Lothian Red Herring, since EVERY decision in the UK Parliament affects the money available in the UK and can have repercussions for Barnet consequenials, then Scottish MPs MUST be allowed a vote on matters. There's Tam's question answered. Simples.
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-26 12:09
Just had a “letter” (yes posted with a stamp) from my MP in response to my e-mail.

He says he has written to the Director General of the BBC Mark Thompson about my complaint and asked him to address the points I have raised.

Well done to Sir Robert Smith MP, he seems to have taken my complaint seriously and done something. It will be interesting to see what reply he gets?

Still nothing from my MSP Mr Rumbles???? Even after the comments made about the parliament!
 
 
# ScotiaWarden 2010-08-26 12:21
For those interested, I've receieved additionally replies from Annabel Goldie, she even replied to my email a while back regarding her comments about the release of Al Megrahi, and Tavish Scott. Enjoy!


Annabel Goldie:

"On the matter of the BBC Radio 4 Any Questions programme, I did not hear the programme but I find the content of the transcript deeply troubling. As you point out some of the content is misinformed while other comments completely disregard the reality of devolution and of course that a minority SNP Government does not speak for all of Scotland.

I shall try and listen to the broadcast. In the meantime many thanks for bringing this matter to my attention.

Yours sincerely,

Annabel M Goldie MSP
West of Scotland Region"




Tavish Scott:

"Thank you for sending this. The comments are offensive. But I believe very strongly in free speech and if that's how people behave, then the listening audience will make their own judgement. I would hope your complaint would ensure the BBC considers the balance and composition of their Panels which I would agree leaves a lot to be desired.

Best wishes
Tavish Scott"
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-26 14:33
Best wishes?

Didn't realise he was sending a Christmas card.

It's good to see them actually taking the time to reply though! And that they both recognise that the comments shouldn't be taken lightly!
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-26 12:33
A big well done to all the members on here who are writing to complain?

May I make 2 suggestions; (if you already haven't)

When you are writing, to complain to the BBC.

Make sure your letter is headed with the word ‘Complaint’
The BBC has been known, in the past, to file a complaint as a comment.

Also if you are writing to your MSP, MP etc. mention this site as the source of your information.

You never know they might just mention ‘newsnetscotlan d’ on television etc.

Thus, giving this site some respect and publicity.

Keep it up.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-26 12:43
I hadn't realised that this debate was still continuing, but I'm pleased to see the tenacity of our posters. I logged into the RAdo 4 link and read the tenor of the postings and responses. It has reinforced my opinion that the relationship between our southern neighbours and us is more akin to that between the Russians and the Chechens than it is to that between the Norwegians and the Swedes. Time to go our separate ways, methinks, which would satisfy the dear Baroness Deech and the emollient Mr Murray - and me!
 
 
# Taldor83 2010-08-26 14:22
Maybe it's just me, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be an incredibley SIMPLE solution to the Baroness's issue that people would have to decide on picking a Citizenship to have..If (I'd rather say when!) Scotland becomes an independant nation it would be a simple case of any new passports issued would be Sottish government and any older would remain as British until they expire and need to be replaced. Worst case scenario, why couldn't people have dual citizenship like many do, for many countries?

As for politicians. If anyone wanted to "emigrate" to England to become a politician where would be the harm?(And vice versa!) Case and point; Australia. Both the leaders in the latest election were from outwith Australia. One was Welsh and one was English. (Again, Correct me if I am wrong please!)
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-26 14:32
How does work , how did it work for Eire?

Irish Citizens could move freely in the UK after the creation of Eire and vice versa.

The same holds good for today, also to include other countries in the EU.

The Noble Baroness is a faux cul and, for all he academic qualifications, bot the brightest tool in the picnic basket.

Just nonsense constructed and spewed forth. She really has no common sense and probably only achieved what she has done by being a New Labour Apparatchik.

A perfect example of why Cameron should be setting about the decimation of these quangos and the defenestration of this Fabian Fifth Column.
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-26 14:45
Sorry about the typing and spelling errors.

I didn't have the privilege of an Oxford St Anne's educashun but my daughter did and bloody expensive it was to me.

Maybe the discrimination she speaks about on English students studying in Scotland was to do with fees which they had to pay, although the Scots did not. The reason for that was that because of the free element of university education in Scotland and if English students were not charged, the allocation of available course places in Scottish Universities would have been swamped by applicants from England.

My daughter had to pay, or I did, had to pay the same fees for educashun at Oxford as did English students. No positive discrimination there?

She knows damn fine that, or should given her academic position, but she is just an unreformed Labour apparatchik, smearing misinforming and self serving as she goes.
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-26 15:51
Just in from the BBC:
I write further to your recent correspondence with Beverley Purcell surrounding the Any Questions? programme broadcast on 20/21 August 2010.

I note that you contacted the BBC on this matter initially via the BBC Radio 4 Contacts Us page and without waiting for a response then also contacted us via the BBC Complaints page. Therefore you have received two similar responses from the BBC in the meantime as you had not indicated to either party that the complaint was duplicated.

You have indicated to Ms Purcell that you are not happy with the response and normally we would provide you with a further personal response to your concerns as set out under the BBC Complaints process but in this case we have not been afforded the opportunity to do so.

You have informed us that as well as raising the matter with your MP and MSP, you have contacted Ofcom and are awaiting their comments.

As you’ve advised that you have raised your complaint with Ofcom, the BBC Complaints process is now unable to accommodate your complaint therefore the Corporation is unable to investigate or respond.

This is because where complainants have taken the opportunity to pursue their complaint via external authorities, both the BBC Trust and the BBC Executive may stop the complaints handling procedure.

If the complaint is subsequently resubmitted to the BBC once external investigation has ended the BBC will not generally reconsider any aspects of complaints that have already been adjudicated upon or considered by an external authority. If a complaint is resubmitted, the BBC’s time limits must also be borne in mind in that we are generally unable to consider complaints received more than 30 days after the event or transmission.


Yours sincerely
David Larner
Complaints Co-ordinator
BBC Audience Services

I think this takes the biscuit!!!
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-26 16:15
Mr Angry

Yup it sure does and how convenient it all is for the BBC. What a Farce.

So what they are saying is that they may not have to respond at all to you if i am reading their letter right! It allows them to wriggle off the hook and not answer for their racist anti Scottish radio 4 show. You have to admire the levers that are in place for the benefit of the British Establishment at the expense of the public. Staggering stuff.

I am still awaiting a 2nd response from BBC Complaints (Alice Fernstein) after i replied to their bog standard reply.

Anyone know if or what the SNP are doing about this?

Anyway, i think its great that we all are putting the pressure on the BBC etc, i hope everyone continues to see this through and not let them off the hook.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-26 20:05
ES, the response I got from the SNP HQ was that 'the matter was in hand'; that was 3 days ago, so I don't know what is being done, or by whom. It would be nice to hear someone in the SNP hierarchy say somethng publicly about it.
Still nothing in the 'national press', I see. Quelle surprise!!
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-26 20:18
Crazyhill

Yes i agree, it would be good to hear how the SNP is going about this with the EBC and help give a boost to our morale that there is a party that is standing up for Scots against the bias from the EBC.

It sets out the divide between Scots wanting fair representation and a media that by their silence is condoning the slandering of Scotland.

Its like something out of the old Eastern bloc right here in Scotland in 2010. Your right, sad thing is, it doesnt surprise many people any more.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-26 16:41
Well, it looks as though some bod in BBC England, has taken a decision to;

1. Ignore your complaint

2. Treat you with contempt

3. Effectively play silly b*ggers.

Of course the very fact that this person has done so, is grounds enough to take your complaint forward to the BBC Trust, and get their response.

The important point is this;


Quote " This is because where complainants have taken the opportunity to pursue their complaint via external authorities, both the BBC Trust and the BBC Executive may stop the complaints handling procedure."

Note the use of the word 'may'. It is not mandated that the BBC MUST stop considering your complain, but that they MAY stop considering your complaint.

I would suggest you write back to them asking them for clarification as to who made the decision, and the clear reasons why they took the decision to no longer consider your complaint.

This will keep the pressure on them.

Do not take no for an answer.

If the BBC or BBC trust refuse to consider your complaint, then I think you need to engage with your nearest friendly MSP or MP, and explain that the BBC have unilaterally decided to invoke a technicality (which is NOT mandated) in order to block your complaint.

Those who took this decision need to be made to answer for their actions.

NEVER forget, YOU employ these people. They are public servants.

Do not give up, as this makes it easy for them. That is what they want you to do - go away. Instead, they will need to answer for their decisions and justify why. It ruins their day.


Keep going. Stick to facts, don't be abusive, and keep pressing.

Complain that it is unfair they will not consider your complaint, and that you did not know that by contacting ofcom, your complaint could be ignored by the BBC.

The BBC need to learn they cannot broadcast anti Scottish comments like these with impunity.
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-26 17:16
Let us analyse this, a bit

I note that you contacted the BBC on this matter initially via the BBC Radio 4 Contacts Us page and without waiting for a response then also contacted us via the BBC Complaints page. Therefore you have received two similar responses from the BBC in the meantime as you had not indicated to either party that the complaint was duplicated.

Tanslation

You imbecile, you thought that sending your complaint in by two methods we would have had two different prescripted foboffs for twats like you!

If you had have indicated in your second complaint that you had already complained you wouldn't have received the duplicated foboff and we would have activated plan B and sent you a response, by accident, concerning Welsh sheep statistics or badger deaths from TB brought about by keeping company with infected Russian seamen.

You have indicated to Ms Purcell that you are not happy with the response and normally we would provide you with a further personal response to your concerns as set out under the BBC Complaints process but in this case we have not been afforded the opportunity to do so.

Translation

HaHa Gotya!

How did you know we would have sent you the standard foboff, even though we did twice. Thus your complaint cannot be considered as it was sent before we sent the foboff thus denying you any human rights and allowing us a "get out of jail free card" which we know are playing!

You have informed us that as well as raising the matter with your MP and MSP, you have contacted Ofcom and are awaiting their comments.

As you’ve advised that you have raised your complaint with Ofcom, the BBC Complaints process is now unable to accommodate your complaint therefore the Corporation is unable to investigate or respond.

This is because where complainants have taken the opportunity to pursue their complaint via external authorities, both the BBC Trust and the BBC Executive may stop the complaints handling procedure.


Translation

Twat! You are now getting too big for your boots and we are cutting you down to size by telling you to bogoff personally and go play in another midden!

If the complaint is subsequently resubmitted to the BBC once external investigation has ended the BBC will not generally reconsider any aspects of complaints that have already been adjudicated upon or considered by an external authority. If a complaint is resubmitted, the BBC’s time limits must also be borne in mind in that we are generally unable to consider complaints received more than 30 days after the event or transmission.


Translation

As the BBC Board and FOCOFCOM will take 3 years to respond and probably refer the complaint back to us, we will do sweetheehaw about just as we told you already!

So Boggoff and Faux Cough!

Love and kisses, your BBC!

"Nations Speak Peace unto Nations"

David Larner;s personal note

See that motto / slogan / mission statement above, it was written by a troubled Jock Presbyterian called Reith.

You are NOT a Nation and have only a wee colonial talking shop.

So just go away please!

Next!
 
 
# bmc875 2010-08-26 17:41
Bugger! You are wasted in the zoo. Made my day - thanks
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-26 20:07
Well done you! Did you used to work for GCHQ in the cipher division?!
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2010-08-26 22:50
I wouldn't of thought so as they appear in sports bags in Pimlico.
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-26 17:31
Come to think of it, Mr Larner really should stop larning and become a practicant!

Maybe he is just filling in for the real Bogoffer from his normal daytime job writing house descriptions for Estate Agents or double glazing commercials.


Buy
One
Get
One
Free
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-27 08:33
Just had a response from Mr Rumbles my MSP:

Thanks very much for your e-mail and I note your very justifiable complaint. Since broadcasting is a 'reserved' matter for the Westminster Parliament my colleague Sir Robert Smith MP is best placed to take this up. Having spoken to his office this morning I do know he is dealing with this on your behalf and I see from your e-mail that he has already responded to you.
Best wishes,
Mike Rumbles
Seems a bit of a cop out to me??

My response to him was:
Dear Mr Rumbles,

Thank you for responding, hopefully Sir Robert will bring this to a successful conclusion.

I do know your views on the Megrahi affair, but my main complaint was about the attack on the Scottish Parliament, Scotland itself and Scots in general.

For Members of the Scottish Parliament not to respond to that attack would, I think, be a mistake?
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-27 10:22
Much as Rumbles annoys me, I have to say, at least he seems to have not just ignored your complaint.

I do think however, he is wrong footed as you say to suggest the Scottish Parliament should not get involved.

In fact, I would expect the leaders of the main parties (yes, even the tories) to come together and issue a joint strongly worded statement.

Otherwise, what is the point of a Scottish Parliament?

So, how about it;

Iain, Tavish, Annabel, and Alex??
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-08-27 13:20
Below are details of participants in tonight's show from the Any Questions website - it will be interesting to see what Iain Dale says as he is an advocate of an English Parliament. Also can the production team keep the discussion civilised? I have to say the line-up looks a bit mediocre..........

Eddie Mair chairs the topical discussion from Newcastle Assembly Rooms with questions for the panel including Deborah Mattinson - Gordon Brown's personal pollster for many years, Matthew Taylor - chief executive of the RSA, Iain Dale - one of Britain's leading political bloggers and Adrian Fawcett - CEO of Britain's biggest private health care provider.

Producer: Beverley Purcell.
THIS WEEK'S PANEL

MATTHEW TAYLOR is a former Downing Street chief adviser. He is currently Chief Executive of the RSA (Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce). He is spearheading the RSA's current focus on “21st century enlightenment” asking “can we go on like this?” and suggesting a return to core principles of autonomy, universalism and humanism. Between 1999 and 2003 he was director of the Institute for Public Policy Research, a leading centre left think tank. During the 1997 General Election campaign he was Labour’s Director of Policy and a member of the Party’s central election strategy team. In his earlier political life he was a county councillor, a parliamentary candidate, a university research fellow and the director of a unit monitoring policy in the health service and until December 1998, he was assistant general secretary for the Labour Party. Taylor has written for The Guardian, The Observer, New Statesman and Prospect. In May he presented a Radio 4 series on religion and science, 'God on my Mind'. ?

IAIN DALE is a Tory political activist and "the nation’s number one political blogger". Iain Dale’s Diary has tens of thousands of readers. He’s been called “Westminster’s early warning siren” with a “mind like a cleaver”. Dale stood as a Conservative candidate at the 2005 election for Norfolk North but failed to secure a constituency in this year's election. On election night this year Dale rashly blogged that he would "run naked down Whitehall" if the Lib Dems really got as few as 59 seats (they got 57). He is a presenter on LBC a local radio station in London and is the publisher of Total Politics magazine. He has written more than 20 books including Margaret Thatcher: A Tribute in Words and Pictures. Dale is the managing director of Biteback publishing and was the founder of Politico's Bookstore. His other blog is West Ham Till I Die. He is a vocal proponent for an English Parliament. He came out in his 40s and was joined in a civil partnership to his long-term partner in 2008. ?

DEBORAH MATTINSON was Gordon Brown’s personal pollster for many years - and has been running focus groups for Labour for the last 25 years through the birth of New Labour and is credited with helping to transform the party "into Europe’s greatest election-winning machine of the modern era". She says her work revealed a chasm between the Westminster Village and the general public regarding the role of a politician and how they should be rewarded. She stresses the importance of the women’s vote and predicted a "Mumsnet election". Her book - Talking to a Brick Wall: How New Labour Stopped Listening to the Voter and Why We Need a New Politics was published in June and she says represents “the voters’ view”.

ADRIAN FAWCETT is the CEO of Britain's biggest private health care provider, General Healthcare Group which runs 70 UK hospitals and clinics. Not surprisingly he believes the private sector should play a greater role in tackling the future of healthcare. In the run up to the election he accused the three main political parties of erecting a "wall of silence" over the future of health care provision, for fear of losing votes. GHG launched its own manifesto calling for a debate on how the NHS and the private sector could work together to tackle future demand. Proposals included tax relief for people with private medical insurance and fining hospitals where patients contract MRSA. Fawcett sits on the board of the Department of Work and Pensions. He was formerly chief operating office for Punch Taverns Plc where he doubled the company´s portfolio. In 2006 he was awarded the Institute of Directors - Large Company, young director of the year and Business Insider - Entrepreneurial Director of the year.

Producer: Beverley Purcell
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-27 18:58
This is a UK wide programme.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't all those panellists come from just one country, England?

Is that representative??

What about the rest of the UK??
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-30 12:01
Well!

Just had my response from OFCOM.

What a farce, they go on about the right to free expression, no problem there, but then refer to half the panel being Scottish!!!????

I do not think they have made any attempt to address my complaint at all.
Basically, they are going to do nothing as they say they cannot say if the comments were made with any deliberate or malicious attempt to denigrate Scotland or its people as a whole.

I would paste the letter in but having scanned it I cannot seem to paste it into the dialog box. Any assistance gratefully received!
 
 
# Grenscot 2010-08-30 12:18
I submitted a complaint to the BBC and got the standard response. I replied as follows.
"Frankly. I find your Editor's response to be insulting. What I heard could never be mistaken for "lively debate". What I heard was a hate filled racist diatribe against the Scots and their Government which added nothing to the debate about the rights or wrongs of releasing Megrahi on compassionate grounds"
 
 
# ghetto defendant 2010-10-02 02:09
Is anyone really surprised by this?? ...any of this, then I suggest a strong dose of uisge bhaith...
 

You must be logged-in in order to post a comment.

Donate to Newsnet Scotland