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Politicians and members of the public have reacted with fury after a BBC Radio 4 broadcast heard commentators describe Scots as living off of benefits provided by the English and describe the Scottish parliament as a “charade of a building” inhabited by MSPs who “crawl out of the darkness”.

The comments were made on the radio programme ‘Any Questions’ by Baroness Ruth Deech who is a former Governor of the BBC and Douglas Murray who is the Director of The Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC).  The comments have resulted in a stream of complaints to the BBC.

The show, broadcast on Friday 20th August, heard Baroness Deech claim that Scots lived off of benefits paid for by English subsidies and that the release of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi had embarrassed the rest of the UK.

Deech said:
“Alright, they're devolved, but I think they did this [Megrahi release] just to show the rest of us oh, that we are independent, we make our own decisions,”

Deech added
“it's been very embarrassing for the rest of us.”

Deech suggested that Scottish politicians should be taken back by Scotland and that Scots relied on English subsidised benefits saying:
“We're all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons, and if they want to show how independent they are, ok, thank you and goodbye.”

Deech was followed by Douglas Murray who went further by insulting the integrity of the Scottish NHS doctors who examined Al Megrahi, referring to them as “alleged doctors”.  Murray also made insulting remarks about Scottish MSPs and the Scottish parliament.

Murray said:
“I think, the most galling thing about this whole thing, is this pretend horrible charade building in Edinburgh called the Scottish Parliament and the horrible charade politicians who inhabit it, and who occasionally crawl out of the darkness.

“Kenny MacAskill and Alex Salmond, these horrible grand standing mickey mouse politicians, have been parading around talking about the unique compassion of the Scottish people.

Murray added:
“...no good can come from this institution, the Scottish Parliament.”

The comments, from both guests, were met with enthusiastic loud applause and howls of laughter from the audience in Harvest Fields Centre in Sutton Coldfield.

The CSC, of which Murray is a director, was founded in 2007 to promote human rights, tolerance and greater cohesion among the UK’s ethnic and religious communities and within wider British society.

Here is an edited recording of Ruth Deech and Douglas Murray's comments:

Speaking after hearing the extracts from the programme, Glasgow’s Leader of the Opposition, SNP Councillor James Dornan, said: “I'm shocked, but unfortunately not surprised, by the blatantly anti-Scottish comments made by the panellists on last week’s Any Questions.  If they had been made about any other nationality the BBC would have been facing a charge under the Race Relations Act. 
 
“Unfortunately, we in Scotland have become used to such diatribes from programmes broadcast on the BBC.  The BBC is supposed to be the national broadcaster for all parts of Britain - the clue is in their title, and that currently includes Scotland.
 
“The only thing I could agree with was when Ruth Deech said maybe it’s time for Scotland to go independent. If she wants to help in this process she should encourage every Scot to listen to her and her colleagues' ignorant anti-Scottish vitriol.
 
“I do not pay my taxes to hear such ill-informed and borderline-racist comments. It is time the BBC put its house in order”.

Other leading Scottish politicians have expressed similar views with senior Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem figures describing the broadcast as “intemperate and ill informed”, “deeply troubling” and “offensive”.

Newsnet Scotland also understands that Sir Robert Smith MP has written to Director General of the BBC Mark Thompson regarding the broadcast.

On Thursday evening Newsnet Scotland contacted the BBC Press Office with the following email:

Hello

Last Friday, 20th August, BBC Radio broadcast an episode of 'Any Questions'.

In response to a question about the release of Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, comments were made that many listeners considered to be xenophobic and deeply offensive.  They were made by two guests on the panel - namely: Ruth Deech and Douglas Murray and have resulted in a number of complaints being made to the BBC as well as to MPs and MSPs.

Many of these complainants have contacted Newsnet Scotland with the responses received from the BBC; they are not at all pleased.  Some have contacted their local MPs and MSPs who have acknowledged the intemperate and offensive nature of the broadcast comments.

There is now widespread condemnation from many senior Scottish politicians and Sir Robert Smith MP has deemed it serious enough to write to the Director General of the BBC Mark Thompson.

Given this, we feel it would be reasonable for us to ask the BBC to confirm exactly how many complaints it has received in relation to this matter and for someone to explain just why it is that exactly the same worded message is being sent out in response, regardless of the specific nature of each complaint.

We are also troubled by an email sent out by one David Larner who is the Complaints Co-ordinator at BBC Audience Services.  Mr Larner has written to a complainant informing them that their complaint will not now go through the BBC's complaints process.

The reason given by Mr Larner is that the individual had the temerity to complain to Ofcom and to write to the local MP and MSP.

Mr Larner says:
"You have informed us that as well as raising the matter with your MP and MSP, you have contacted Ofcom and are awaiting their comments.

"As you’ve advised that you have raised your complaint with Ofcom, the BBC Complaints process is now unable to accommodate your complaint therefore the Corporation is unable to investigate or respond."

Can you confirm that this is official BBC policy and, if so, at what point in the complaints process does the BBC deem it acceptable to contact a third party such as Ofcom or ones democratically elected representative?

We thank you for your help in this matter.

Kind Regards
Newsnet Scotland

Thus far, and not surprisingly, the BBC has failed to respond to our queries.

If you find the broadcast offensive and wish to make a complaint then go to this website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/

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Comments  

 
# enneffess 2010-08-28 22:07
en.wikipedia.org/.../...)#Controversy_a bout_Irish_Joke s



Wiki has a good background on Murray. An interesting point is the section about Irish jokes. And the section about the Radio 4 programme almost had me punching out my PC monitor.

The man is extremely immature and arrogant, no doubt boosted by his Eton and Oxford education. (I have no issues with private education except with cases such as his).

He is a disgrace to the profession of journalism, and an embarrassment to his university.

Let's get him on QT in Glasgow next time around. Let's see how long he lasts.

Good to see a wide range of MPs, including a very senior one taking issue.
 
 
# cattwister 2010-08-28 22:55
I took a look at that page - the edit history is interesting: there have been a couple of page revisions to undo "vandalism" of the page. I have just edited it further by adding a final paragraph and a link back to Newsnet - hopefully that makes the section seem more "Controversial" now.
 
 
# Gaavster 2010-08-28 23:06
Good stuff Cattwister

We cant let this lie...
 
 
# 1scot4scotland 2010-08-29 17:32
This is the kind of thing that could breed terrorism, the likes of which we have seen from the the IRA. I'm not a republican but I'm sure there are people who could be "tipped over the edge" by this type of attack on Scotland. Imagine if this was a German or French talk show.
It's a total and utter lack of respect. This would p*ss most Scottish people off regardless of there political affiliation or there Grandfathers.

But here is the total irony of this English, right wing almost BNP type of views (I could easily envisage those words being spoken by nick griffin) is that this type of bile that is being spewed out on OUR airwaves, will actually be the undoing of the union they hold so dearly, fools that they are.

It is clear that those individuals have strong views on this subject, but going on what I would conceder to be a typically heated and very feminine rant is unacceptable.Ok in the hairdressers or when your getting your nails done but on the airwaves?? I don't think so. Mr Murray or should I say Mrs Murray should be ashamed. This is nothing more than anti-Scottish bullshi* that as a nation we should be sniggering at, with one eye on the future and Independence in mind.
 
 
# roger1 2011-02-23 01:19
you ken i just wish wen they spew thier hate for scotland, and claim, we are costing them money, id like it if they would put that argument to the voters of england, say hey the scots are costing us money if we have english independance its(say £10 a week) more in the pocket for every english family.. maybe they vote for freedom for england thus, gaining ever sane scot thier dream,... they think they are better aff, an we know we are everybody wins....
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-28 22:20
You know, the one thing that really stands out in this whole disgraceful racist broadcast by the BBC is not the comments, which by themselves are utterly disgraceful and very, very offensive.

No, what is really wrong, is the COMPLETE INABILITY of any of the tawdry protagonists, including the BBC, to realise they have actually done anything wrong.

There is something really quite wrong within the BBC, when a broadcast such as this is aired and nobody within the BBC is prepared to accept there is a problem.

Is anti Scottish racism endemic within the BBC?

Never forget, the BBC and ALL of its staff, including Mark Thomson, the director General, are public employees.

This will not do.
 
 
# Dougie Douglas 2010-08-28 22:29
Quoting Robert Louis:
Is anti Scottish racism endemic within the BBC?



Well simply put - yes (based on these events)
 
 
# Edulis 2010-08-28 22:30
I have used the very useful link to the BBC Complaints Department. If you haven't done so do it now so that they are deluged. There is also the 'Feedback' programme on Radio 4 which should be similarly deluged. Has any got the details of how to phone/E-mail?
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-28 22:43
Telephone


The BBC complaint line is on;

03700 100 222

It is important for everyone who has been offended by this programme, to complain. Copy your MP and MSP.

I have already complained, and will await a fully written response, then if unsatisifed (very likely) take the matter forward to ofcom via my MSP.

If that fails and I cannot pursue the matter further via the BBC or ofcom, and all other avenues are exhausted, I shall go to the equality and human rights commission, to ask them to determine if there is a case for the two main panellists or the BBC to answer.

Each stage, even if unsuccessful, will cause a headache for the BBC. They need to get the message that this is not EVER acceptable, and we are NOT going away.

Don't assume everyone else will complain, so you don't need to bother, every single complaint counts.

Indeed, if you have not already complained, then doing so now is a good idea, as the BBC will be hoping that everything will quieten down after a few days. So, let's complain again, and ruin their leisurely Sunday breakfasts.

Grrrrrrr!
 
 
# 1scot4scotland 2010-08-29 21:24
Thank you Robert Louis, my complaint has been made.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-28 22:32
Off topic - anybody seen this;
www.guardian.co.uk/.../9240792

Or via Press association feed

pressassociation.com/.../...

Hadn't seen it anywhere else.
 
 
# cynicalHighlander 2010-08-28 22:53
Not before time as it gives us something to look forward to.
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-28 23:02
Agree
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-29 05:52
I like this bit ...'Labour used the strength of the UK to protect Scotland from complete economic meltdown like Iceland or Ireland'

I must have missed this on the news but are we sending aid to these countries since they must be all starving over their ?
 
 
# northernshedboy 2010-08-29 11:09
Ah yes. But didn't Ireland used to have terrorists? And didn't Labour use terrorist laws to try to get bank money back from Iceland.

Therefore by default they are classed the same as the Palestinians and not entitled to aid. They just have to suffer.

I guess China must be the same since we don't have TV programmes asking for aid for them. And then by default Pakistan ... ah well, maybe the theory needs some fine tuning.
 
 
# .Scot 2010-08-28 22:37
The shock continued unabated as the Director for Social Cohesion chipped in with "Horrible building in Edinburgh" Horrible Parliament", "Horrible politicians" "Horrible First Minister", "horrible Justice secretary". This was an example of unchecked institutionalis ed anti-Scottish sentiment from the BBC plumbing the depths of puerile commentary.

The hatred shown in the mass British media towards the Scots because they had audacity to possess a separate legal system from their Metropolis masters has been vicious for twelve months.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-28 22:40
My reply from BBC.
Any Questions?’ aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these comments as racist: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made.

Another element of ‘Any Questions?’ is the reaction of the audience in the hall, but I would like to point out that we only hear from those people who choose to voice their reactions. These responses should therefore not be taken to represent the audience as a whole who may hold a wide range of differing opinions.

‘Any Questions?’ achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are balanced over the series: On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision "to grant the compassionate early release of a dying man." We also encourage a range of opinion by inviting listeners to call in to ‘Any Answers?’ and challenge the opinions that they hear on ‘Any Questions?’.

The views expressed by the panellists are not necessarily shared by the BBC. The panellists reveal themselves in the comments they choose to make and we leave it to listeners to make up their own minds about what they hear.

I do hope you will continue to listen to ‘Any Questions?’”"MY answer to them was no"

We would like to assure you that we’ve registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for contacting the BBC
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-28 23:02
The answer from the BBC is irrelevant, and completely misses the point.

The comments were offensive, not because they were derogatory about the decision to release Megrahi, but because the comments insinuated that Scotland and Scots were subsidised by the English via state benefits.

The comments were also just a generalised attack on the democratic institutions of the Scottish Parliament and all the Scottish politicians (of any party).

I fail to see how either was related to the question of whether it was sensible to release Megrahi.

The BBC are trying in these responses to fudge the issue and their is a certain degree of obfuscation going on.

The important point is, these responses do not actually address the offensive comments against Scotland and Scots.

Unacceptable.
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-28 23:15
Robert Louis.
I quite agree it is Unacceptable and await another reply to my further complaint.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-29 10:11
RTP,

I have recieved the same standard reply this morning.

Once more!
 
 
# west_lothian_questioner 2010-08-29 12:51
I also sent a complaint to the BBC about the programme. Strangely enough (or maybe not) the reply I received was exactly the same as yours RTP. A form reply which I'm certain they have had to send out to a large number of our fellow complainants. The questions i (Im sure that could be 'we') raised were danced around and no direct answers were offered. Everything brushed under the carpet in the name of free speech.
Let me state that free speech is of course a right which I value, but it is a right which can be, and in this case, was seriously abused. There are limits; the limits were pushed, ignored and left in tatters by the xenophobic trash our licence fee obtained for us.
 
 
# Hirta 2010-08-28 22:51
Quote:
This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC,


..which can be easily fudged, seeing as how it's "internal" and "compiled daily".
 
 
# Etrigan 2010-08-28 22:58
With the U.S Open about to start, I thought I would remined people about the fuss the English press made when our Andy Murray made the "Anybody but England" remark. This comment was made at a press conference with Tim Henman after Tim made a wee joke about Scotland not being in the World Cup.
To this day Andy has to answer quetions about his comment. That's how sensitive the English media are!
If the Radio4 comments were made about the English, how do you think the press would react?
 
 
# Robert Louis 2010-08-28 23:18
Good point. I recall, that during the world cup, a simple t-shirt with the phrase, 'anybody but England' was being talked about as being racist.
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-29 05:54
Aye the T shirts were being sold in a shop up here in Aberdeen and the story even made it into the Daily Mail ..shock horror :o)}
 
 
# Polstar 2010-09-20 18:54
Quoting ubinworryinmash eep:
Aye the T shirts were being sold in a shop up here in Aberdeen and the story even made it into the Daily Mail ..shock horror :o)}

Maybe you can confirm this ubinworryinmash eep but was it the case that a Grampian Police Officer went into the Shop and stated that they had received a complaint from the public so the staff would be prosecuted unless they took the t-shirts off display?

A later check showed there were no complaints received from the public and the Police Officers nationality was English. May have picked that up wrong so it would be good to check.
 
 
# breadandcheese 2010-08-29 00:44
The comments regarding this episode have been removed from Ruth Deech's Wikipedia page. It might be helpful to write something on the Discussion page. (Discussion tab on top left of page), in order to get the quote she made re-instated.
 
 
# Alx1 2010-08-29 06:00
Could some kind person please provide the short URL link to this story, as my computer abilities, don't stretch that far (that's putting it nicely!)

This story is worth posting in a few National newspapers.
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-29 08:04
If only!
No way will the MSM put this on their news.
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-29 07:02
Murray's comments about Scottish politicians is totally unfair as well. Salmond is not a "mickey mouse" politician, but someone who has been around for many years and has had solid experience in the private sector. MacAskil too has worked in the private sector. OK, some of the MSPs in Scotland are in my view jumped up councillors, but there are a number who are as professional, if not more so, than their Westminster colleagues.

Deech has also missed the point about Megrahi. He was released under Scots law. If devolution did not exist, would it not be possible that such a release could technically have happened anyway? Scots law was in existence prior to devolution.
 
 
# sid 2010-08-29 07:48
morning all , the BBC stuck 2 fingers up at the lot of us when after his behaviour on any questions he appeared on Radio Scotland's phone in show last week with the presenter giving him free reign to say what he liked ,no interruption ,no searching questions ,just lots of respect.
the gloves should be well and truly off ladies and gentlemen. surprisingly they never had time to take my call or read out my e- mail I wonder why?
can't remember what day it was I posted a heads up on here but can't remember what morning it was sorry.

Sid
 
 
# ubinworryinmasheep 2010-08-29 08:00
#sid ....'the gloves should be well and truly off ladies and gentlemen'
Na leave the gloves on but wi a horseshoe inside and take them by surprise :o)}
 
 
# springy 2010-08-29 08:13
The BBC continues with its blatant manipulation of Scottish news. Soon after refusing to cover the story about Labour MSP Karen Whitefield acquiring personal data on schoolchildren, the BBC are now engrossed with a data story.

The headline on their main story is provided by a Unionist MSP.
 
 
# scotali 2010-08-29 09:27
I was directed to this site via a post on Facebook.

Evidently the EBC is permitted to broadcast material of a racist nature: yourrights.org.uk/.../...

"There are other offences of publishing or distributing material; presenting or directing a play; distributing, showing or playing visual images or sounds; broadcasting a television programme, except programmes transmitted by the BBC; or distributing a cable programme with the same characteristics - that is, being threatening, abusive or insulting - and which is either intended to stir up racial hatred or likely to have this effect."
 
 
# springy 2010-08-29 09:43
Welcome scotali, the more people who are made aware of this site the better.
 
 
# cattwister 2010-08-29 10:10
Hi scotali,
My eyes about popped out of my head when I read that... it took a while but after a bit of digging around I no longer think that that is the case.

The Public Order Act 1986 Chapter 64 Section 22, Sub-section 7 is where that exemption for the BBC originates. But that act was modified by the Broadcasting Act 1990 (c. 42) Part VII Section 164 which modifies the 1986 act by removing the exemption for the BBC.

I think. I'm not (anywhere near) a lawyer...

Links:
opsi.gov.uk/.../...
opsi.gov.uk/.../...
 
 
# scotali 2010-08-29 10:20
Thank you for the welcome, springy. :)

And thanks for that clarification, cattwister, which provides some reassurance (and probably allows for a legal challenge by anyone so minded). I'll take a look through these links and will maybe also write to Liberty since I found the information on their website. It begs the question: why was the BBC given any such exemption in the first place?
 
 
# colin8652 2010-08-29 10:50
Having listened to this program via i player this morning, i'm just sitting here aghast at this blatant racism, arrogance, conceit and plain rudeness. I have posted this story on my facebook page and hope every one else does too to ensure as many Scots get to read it as possible. Also get them to listen to it on BBC i player, it is difficult to put into words my anger. Have a listen it will make you burst with rage. I'm glad however that the BBC did broadcast this as it shows clearly how we are viewed by these pompous gits.
 
 
# Cruachan 2010-08-29 10:52
“We're all subsidising them I think, by way of benefits and all sorts of reasons, and if they want to show how independent they are, ok, thank you and goodbye.”

She's right you know... since the last three Westminster governments have turned Scotland into an unemployed, benefit-stricken nation. Except of course those who they've hauled through their pro-unionist education system, filling our graduates head's with idealistic unionist nonsense. Brainwashing them to cow-tow to the sickly Westminster propaganda that the BBC is only too happy to bolster and perpetuate.

Fine Baroness Deech, we'll be only too glad to be on our way then. And we'll be taking our revenues with us so we can repair the immeasurable damage done by the likes of you and yours.
 
 
# snowthistle 2010-08-29 18:57
Aren't we all subsidising her, with house of lords expenses and all sorts of reasons?
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-29 11:04
Here's another unsavoury snippet from Rd4 last night on Clive Anderson's Loose Ends. Not on the scale of the AQ's but still a wee cosy English gaff. The joke was not the bad bit but the snide little comments by the female presenter just bolsters the anti- Scottish genre
bbc.co.uk/.../...

Rougly 28 mins in
 
 
# colin8652 2010-08-29 11:11
Good example GILL
 
 
# 1scot 2010-08-29 14:27
Bunch of trumped up idiots. How much do they think we can take.
 
 
# chicmac 2010-08-31 23:47
Quoting Gill:
Here's another unsavoury snippet from Rd4 last night on Clive Anderson's Loose Ends. Not on the scale of the AQ's but still a wee cosy English gaff. The joke was not the bad bit but the snide little comments by the female presenter just bolsters the anti- Scottish genre
bbc.co.uk/.../...

Rougly 28 mins in


www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# breadandcheese 2010-09-01 00:06
Unpleasant, but at least they're just "comics" not peers of the realm who really SHOULD know better.
 
 
# lamphun 2010-08-29 12:06
First time I've ever complained to the BBC, not that it will do any good. I note that this pair of ignorant bigots have made a career out of suckling off the public purse. Very ironic given their diatribe about freeloading Scots.
 
 
# colin8652 2010-08-29 12:27
well just emailed off my complaint to the bbc, we all know that it will be ignored but hey its good just to annoy them :-)
 
 
# RTP 2010-08-29 13:23
This sort of advert we can all have a good laugh at and take no offence but the Deech and Murray we can do without and for the BBC to accept it beggers belief.
All Newsnet and you Editor have a good laugh I did.





www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-29 13:34
That's my complaint to the beeb emailed.

I see this story is starting to do the rounds on other boards.
 
 
# Joker 2010-08-29 13:58
Link them to this site, and us to them.

The larger the crowd, the better.
 
 
# RobQos 2010-08-29 16:33
“Unfortunately, we in Scotland have become used to such diatribes from programmes broadcast on the BBC"
SNP Councillor James Dornan

Absolutely.

www.youtube.com/.../

www.youtube.com/.../

The BBC regularly give a platform to people who not only know nothing about Scotland or Scottish politics but who want also to put down Scotland as a country.

There was a video on youtube until recently where they casually went to a guys scafolding company in Glasgow for the guy to announce "The English subsidise us". With no further questioning from the interviewer. The guy turns out to be on the BBC list of unionist supporting businesses in Scotland: news.bbc.co.uk/.../6591039.stm
 
 
# chicmac 2010-08-30 09:32
Thanks for the links RL, Cattwister and scotali.

Adding them to the research group resource in Smeddum.
 
 
# chicmac 2010-08-30 09:44
Got both these examples in the anti-Scottish compilation video project resource section in the Smeddum video group already. Do you know of any more?
 
 
# velofello 2010-08-29 16:35
I've posted my complaint to the BBC and await the standard response if just to add to the numbers. I do think more effective action is to table a complaint to Ofcom citing the Public Order Act and Broadcasting Act info provided by Cattwister. I also think a complaint to the Centre for Social Cohesion over Murray's remarks needs doing.I intebd doing both.
Somewhere in the dusty corners of my brain I;m sure there is logged a lecture that advised "what we most fear we ridicule". So maybe rather than be indignant over Deech and Murray we should take heart?
 
 
# RobQos 2010-08-29 16:36
BBC Newsnight goes to Glasgow in search of anti-English sentiment:

www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-29 22:37
That was truly disgusting and the "I'm mostly Scottish you know" type are to be pitied.
 
 
# 1scot4scotland 2010-08-29 17:29
This is the kind of thing that could breed terrorism, the likes of which we have seen from the the IRA. I'm not a republican but I'm sure there are people who could be "tipped over the edge" by this type of attack on Scotland. Imagine if this was a German or French talk show.
It's a total and utter lack of respect. This would p*ss most Scottish people off regardless of there political affiliation or there Grandfathers.

But here is the total irony of this English, right wing almost BNP types of views(I could easily envisage those words being spoken by nick griffin)is that this type of bile that is being spewed out on OUR airwaves, will actually be the undoing of the union they hold so dearly, fools that they are.

It is clear that those individuals have strong views on this subject, but going on what I would consider to be a heated and very feminine rant is unacceptable.Ok in the hairdressers or when your getting your nails done but on the airwaves?? I don't think so. Mr Murray or should I say Mrs Murray should be ashamed. This is nothing more than anti-Scottish bullshi* that as a nation we should be quietly sniggering at, with one eye on the future and Independence in mind.
 
 
# alanski 2010-08-29 18:04
I'd like to draw attention to another similar situation with the BBC. Check this link folks: bbc.co.uk/.../..., and listen from 36 minutes in to 42 mins.
Just to clarify that it is not an isolated incident, and why many people in Scotland have to wake up to what we're dealing with here! Spread it around, and support independence!
 
 
# baudron 2010-08-29 18:14
I am asking all the members of my Facebook group (Scotland the Facts) to listen to this broadcast and e-mail complaints to the bbc that will make 70 more complaints the more the better
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-29 18:16
A month or so ago in the Sky News programme Press Review, which occurs nightly at 11:30 pm, there was an invited guest, a Telegraph journalist who was being asked to comment on newspaper stories. Part way through the programme an article came up about Andy Murray. The journalist made an unsolicited comment that Andy and his mother never smiled and both had a wolvine appearance, like the characters from the film 'An American Werewolf in London'.

The Sky News presenter tried to play the comment down.

I fear this is just an one example of an open season for insulting Scotland and the Scots.

Fortunately I have never seen this guy on the programme again. Hopefully he has been blacklisted by Sky News.
 
 
# alanski 2010-08-29 18:26
Sorry folks, think that what i added is about the same article, but now you have the link!!
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-29 19:05
Still awaiting a response from BBC Complaints to my second email reply to their bog standard response that everyone else got.

I will be having the last word and glad that they are having to read my and other peoples letters to them. I have been waiting for a few days now for their follow up letter. One thing is clear, they dont like it up them. Keep the pressure up folks. They should NOT get away with this anti-Scottish racism and xenophobia.
 
 
# 1scot4scotland 2010-08-29 19:05
wikipedia have this on Douglas murray's
page, it says: "This statement, and others on the programme by Baroness Ruth Deech, went far beyond attacking the decision itself but also criticised the Scottish Government, her ministers, Scottish doctors and the Scottish people in general. This prompted outrage amongst listeners to BBC Radio 4 in Scotland.[45] The programme had been recorded live in front of a cheering English audience."
 
 
# Simon 2010-08-29 19:07
well either they work on a Sunday and type really quickly but I got this reply to my complaint
"Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:

"I’m sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

‘Any Questions?’ aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these comments as racist or anti Scottish:: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made."

at no point did I mention Al Megrahi in my complaint or ask them of evidence where they thought they were be biased on other areas.

So the Beeb seem fit to send out standard replies , Danny Alexander has just got my complaint as my MP via they work for you website as his own site has a fault in it when you try and send him an email
 
 
# springy 2010-08-29 20:16
I've emailed my local MP and MSP (both Labour). I'll wait until I get their reply then I intend to write to the BBC quoting them.

The BBC are compelled to respond to written letters of complaint but can ignore if they choose emailed complaints.

If anyone has the address to save me looking it up it would be appreciated.
 
 
# ace182 2010-08-29 20:26
I have been reading all the comments with great interest, but, hey, fellows why are you complaining? You should be sending a letter of thanks to both Deech and Murray. Between them they have probably woken up many slumbering Scots enough to make them to sit up and take notice, relinquish their Labour/ Lib Dem affiliation and apply for S.N.P. membership. So get your " Thank You " cards out and posted right away
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-29 21:52
But they won't have woken many Scots up unfortunately, unless someone in the SNP leadership does something. Most people do not listen to Radio 4.
 
 
# DonaldMhor 2010-08-29 20:28
The following is the exchange of views between me and my MP. I am incandescent with rage:

Dear Mr McCann,

The programme Any Answers recently broadcast contained such bigoted and in my opinion racist sentiments and sneering remarks made about Scotland and the Scots that I am compelled to write to who ever I think of in regard to the conduct of the BBC in this country.

If you have not already done so I think it is available on the iPlayer still, it is certainly available on the Newsnet Scotland web site, as are many remarks from irate listeners who like me are complaining to the BBC. I urge you to listen to it.

The conduct of the BBC in recent months has been digracefull. Not least the lies they continue to spread regarding the Megrahi repatriation. Glenn Campbell is an embarrassment to Scotland. I cannot even look at Newsnight now and ignore the BBC as much as possible.

Recently we have seen the BBC broadcast a Question Time from Edinburgh that you would have thought was coming from central London, such was the metropolitan tone and bias of the programme. Nicola Sturgeon was on the panel, (the token Jock) but was treated brusquely by Dimbleby, and had to be very proactive to get her voice heard as he ignored her and was once more downright rude to her, pointing to the audience with his arm across her face etc.

We also were treated to Any Question from Lochinver a few weeks ago and once more it could have been from deepest Essex, such was the content of the chosen questions. One covered English education which has sod all to do with Lochinver, Sutherland or Scotland. Here was a chance to hear the views from a remote part of the UK, that has many issues unique to them that could have been discussed, but was totally ignored. Of the six questions taken from the audience 5 were from people with very upper class English accents, and one wee local women at the end was allowed the humourous (token Jock) condescending question, "what would the panel say to people to encourage them to come to Lochinver," to much delighted tittering and sniggering, from Dimbers and co, they trilled about the wonderfull food and the people. What a pity their Londoncentric parochial programme chose to ignore them up to that point. The BBC are quite blatantly vile state propaganda merchants, and the UK eqivalent of Pravda.

What a lot of our licence money was spent on this exercise that could have been done on the phone from London such was the dire content. The amount of money raised in Scotland, and the way Scotland is portrayed by the BBC now is nothing more than a cynical insult to Scots and Scotland. No attempt what ever is made to broadcast our culture and our way of life in any accurate way what ever as they are obliged to do under the charter. Unless you consider "The Scheme" as an accurate reflection of Scotland. There are many in England according to the recent Any Answers programme who indeed do just that.


=============================================================I sometimes get frustrated with the BBC for different reasons, for example, when they don’t interrogate the SNP hard enough on their more barmy policies.
Doubtless the BBC would argue that if they are offending us all they are getting it right.
The Government doesn’t control the BBC and you have a right to complain which as you have explained you are already pursuing.
Yours sincerely
Michael McCann MP
===================================================================

I note your views which you are entitled to hold but I don't have to agree with.
On this occasion we'll have to agree to disagree.
Regards
Michael
Sent from my iPhone
==============================================================
Your comments are noted.
Yours sincerely
Michael McCann MP
 
 
# pinkrose 2010-08-29 21:31
DonaldMhor I totally agree with your comments, and sympathise with your frustrations. I didn't see/hear the programs you are speaking of, but I have witnessed this sort of thing many times.

I would just like to say how much I enjoy some of the Gaelic programs on BBC Scotland and on BBC Alba (when I am able to watch it) as they highlight and celebrate different aspects of Scottish Culture in a very enjoyable way. The non gaelic speaking BBC Scotland presenters seem to be unable or unwilling to broadcast anything which might possibly stir up any enthusiasm about Scotland, which is very sad because we have such a colourful culture. Long live Gaelic Television, they show us what COULD be possible!
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-29 21:50
He's my MP as well, and his answers are typical of the man. Nothing has changed since his (recent) days as a councillor.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-29 23:02
I would try sending these letters to the EK News with a covering note to show just how unhelpful McCann is. They might just print them.

It might at least prompt the paper to listen to the programme and write an article about it. My impression is that the editor is willing to air all points of view.

It would be great if the controversial parts of the programme could be transmitted at peak viewing time as 'a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Unionist parties'.

If it was possible I would be willing to contribute a donation to make it happen.
 
 
# Lianachan 2010-08-31 09:41
Disgraceful response from your MP.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-29 20:41
From small acorns, eh. Those of us who were involved in the 'first wave' of attacks on the BBC, only to be met by a blanket hail of banality, are plaesed do note that we are not alone in thinking that, as always, Scotland is treated as were the Indian provinces in the days of the Raj.
History shows us that India eventually gained her independence; let us hope it repeats itself in the case of Scotland.
I would still like to have seen one of the SNP 'Big Guns' firing a public salvo at the BBC - or did I blink and miss it?!!
 
 
# RJBH 2010-08-29 21:08
Dear Baroness Deech.. Im so happy to be entertained by the opinion of a learnered lady such as yourself.. But.. Didnt Dear Tony do a deal in the Desert .. The Good Colonel gets Mr Al Megrahi, BP get Lybian Oil. Its similar to... We get to call ourselves British.. England takes our Oil.
 
 
# Gill 2010-08-29 21:34
Ha ha,

very good RJBH. lol! now someone pass the cucumber sanies will you? toot sweet.
 
 
# 1scot4scotland 2010-08-29 21:44
Must see videos click and watch.

www.youtube.com/.../
www.youtube.com/.../
 
 
# Aucheorn 2010-08-30 08:50
Quoting 1scot4scotland:
Must see videos click and watch.

www.youtube.com/.../
www.youtube.com/.../


Your video should go out as a Party Political broadcast !!!!!!!!

10 minutes after watching it I'm still stunned,
 
 
# kofk 2010-08-30 01:12
every scottish nationalist should now take time to concentrate on awakening glasgow to labours failures,its time
 
 
# Gill 2010-10-09 22:47
hallelujah!!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-30 09:33
If anyone is interested here are the replies to my e-mails to Maajid Awaz and the BBC complaints website to the Any Questions edition broadcast from the Sutton Coldfield Zoo at feeding time.

Maajid Awaz first

Dear Mr Awaz

I am a Scot and listened to the Radio 4 Any Questions broadcast on Friday 20th August from Sutton Coldfield with jaw dropping incredulity which has since boiled into eruptive outrage. The thinly veiled bilious and outrageous racist comments made by two of the panellists, both claiming a modicum of Scottish parentage, was beyond parody and had they been verbally Paki bashing should have brought stout riposte and a skewering from yourself.

Forlorn hope, eh?

Instead, what did you say?


“Just to say for our Scottish listeners, I think you know, just to say that we do love you all [Laughter from audience AND panel members] I love the Highlands.”


For the record Mr Awaz, some of my best friends are Pakis from the Punjab and disgruntled Anglicised Jewesses.

I hope the irony of that is not lost on you?

As for the other two grandstanding clowns, they will be spit roasted by others.

I made me sad that you do not see the implicit racism; remember the cheering from the Sutton Coldfield mob to Deech and Murray?

Sutton Coldfield is in the West Midlands?

Maybe their pent up xenophobia, which they are now unable to vent publically against anyone of a darker hue, has found a “safe” home and you were there when it happened, on the BBC, live.

You missed an open goal.

Not all whities live in Sutton Coldfield and I am proud to say, Scotland, whilst a long way short of being perfect in this regard, is trying much harder, certainly than that zoo audience on Friday, to dismantle by example, racial and national stereotyping. The Scottish Government, and particularly the SNP, are well in the vanguard of this. Check out their definition of who is a Scot and their record on opposing forced deportation of assimilated law abiding asylum seekers of all hues.

Also if you want, you can look at the SNP website and click on the obituary section of images mid right, and follow the link to Bashir Ahmed MSP.

www.snp.org


I think you have chosen unwell your pied-a-terre in this “United Kingdom”. You are, however, most welcome in Scotland

It is ironic, that the Scottish Government was nailed by two self seeking Numpties in a racial/national diatribe.

It is equally ironic that had Scotland been independent of this Disunited Kingdom, these carbuncles on humanity would have been constrained in venting their spleen against a neighbouring country. Do you think they would have tried it on with Eire or Luxembourg or Pakistan or Israel? Ironic?

I await the day when we are free of this racist, empire loyalist, festering corpse of a Union.

We are really only honorary English you know, and that honour is being stripped from us daily as we dare to think and act differently from them.

I hoped and expected a little bit more from you. Maybe your jaw had dropped too?


Happy hunting Mr Awaz.

Reply






































and now the BBC one;















































So that explains a lot?


Bugger (the Panda!)

[Online Editor]
For the record, we consider the term 'Paki' to be grossly insulting and in itself racist. We have allowed this comment to stand as it is a direct reproduction of a message this poster sent.

However, we are absolutely against the use of this term and would advise anyone seeking to complain about the comments made on 'Any Questions' to adopt more appropriate language.
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-30 12:49
Online ED, if you reread my post and read it on context you will see that I am making that very point.

I am assuming that your comment was generated automatically triggered by the word Paki.
 
 
# Gill 2010-10-09 22:57
Actually on-line Editor, Bugger used the term Paki to display the near racist remarks from the two panellists, and I think he did that well.
I didn't feel any racism from his statement but an alignment or comparison with other racist sentiments of which we have become more familiar.
 
 
# Blanco 2010-08-30 09:41
Bugger,

If I had recieved a ranting email like yours, it would have gone straight in the recycling bin!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-30 09:48
Thanks
 
 
# Blanco 2010-08-30 09:42
DonaldMhor,

I note Michael McCann MP is comfortable with Scots and Scotland being slagged off in an ignorant fashion by an academic and a peer on national TV. Hopefully he hadn't seen the programme, as his dismissal of your complaint reflects poorly on him otherwise. I suspect he may be inured to such attitudes however. Example to follow.
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-30 16:29
I think McCann will have been programmed by HQ, like a robot, to tow the line. He has no depth, no sincerity and his intellect is also questionable.
 
 
# Blanco 2010-08-30 09:46
Another example of (unconscious) bias...

At the weekend a programme was on Radio 4 about the Euro. One chap was talking about how a single interest rate for a diverse economy was a bad idea, if there was no means of redistributing wealth around the economy. "The UK economy is itself quite diverse," he said, but then came the sucker punch. "In the UK we had the political ability to bail out Scotland, the North and Wales in the 1970s and 1980s." This comment passed without a murmer. It is accepted as fact everywhere.

Face it folks, the recieved wisdom across the UK, from the peer pissing in the street to the sweeper cleaning up after him, and amongst the chattering classes abroad, is that the beneficient south east bails out the subsidy junkies elsewhere in the UK. To state otherwise is still to be met with hoots of derision. There can be no change until Scots either:

a)get angry about being lied to in this way;
b)feel concern or shame at underperforming and decide to do something about it.

Though I know you all know that anyway :)
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-30 16:32
If only we had some gumption, like most Europeans, (including Eastern Europe) not to be pi**ed about.
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-30 11:52
Well!

Just had my response from OFCOM.

What a farce, they go on about the right to free expression, no problem there, but then refer to half the panel being Scottish!!!????

I do not think they have made any attempt to address my complaint at all.
Basically, they are going to do nothing as they say they cannot say if the comments were made with any deliberate or malicious attempt to denigrate Scotland or its people as a whole.

I would paste the letter in but having scanned it I cannot seem to paste it into the dialog box. Any assistance gratefully received!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-30 12:43
Save it in or convert it to a Word format file then cut and paste from there.

Possibly you are scanning as a JPG or some other sort of image file

Bugger!
 
 
# EdinScot 2010-08-30 16:23
Well Well folks, Mr Angry has received a response from OFCOM that says leave oor EBC alone! They can racially abuse Scots and get away with it. The crowd can whoop and cheer and the comments can be outrageous lies that we are really just benefit scroungers in Jockland said with a sneer or a smug smile on their face but they dont know if it was with malicious intent!

With friends like these why would anyone in Scotland choose to be aligned to them?

I still await the courtesy of a 2nd reply from the EBC Complaints Alice Fernstein. Where is Aunties manners? Tut tut.

Where do we go to from here folks in this glorius Union? Who will uphold our complaint and call it as they see it?

Independence anyone? I think its a necessity even more so after this .
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-30 13:23
Sorry, I can only scan as a JPG!
I've tried PDF and fiddling with that, but no luck so far!
 
 
# Bugger the Panda 2010-08-30 13:26
The MR Angry you are Buggered.

I know how you feel.

The Panda
 
 
# J Wil 2010-08-30 16:25
Can it be put into a word file and then manipulated using the cut and paste special? I have been able to do that with pictures.
 
 
# Cruachan 2010-08-30 20:06
There's a solution folks... it's called civil disobedience.... and it's long overdue.
 
 
# Jimbo 2010-08-30 20:29
I Received a lengthy letter from Ofcom today. I’ll skip the preamble about the Communications Act etc and get to the meat of it.

I should say from the outset, that Ofcom does not consider that the programme has breached the Code.

We noted that Baroness Ruth Deech made some comments which were quite disparaging of the Scottish Government, and Scotland’s nationalist leanings, however we could not say this was said with any deliberate or malicious attempt to denigrate Scotland or it’s people as a whole. She was seeking to make a point about Scottish nationalism and the expression of nationalism in the context of the Scottish government making the decision to free the bomber. We appreciate you feel the comments and the tone were offensive, however we are satisfied that they were justified by the context given the nature of the programme.


It goes on to say Ofcom are aware of this and aware of that and so on. It then goes on to say:

We are also mindful that half the panel were Scottish, and Deech admitted her mother was Scottish, etc, etc.

Given the above, and that the content was likely not to have gone beyond the expectations of the likely audience for this programme, Ofcom considered that he comments, though offensive to some, could be justified by the content, and were not in breach of Rule 2.3.

We do recognise that our decision might not lessen the offence you felt, but I should like to take this opportunity of thanking you for contacting us with your concerns on this matter.

Yours sincerely

Robert Ince


So there we have it. Offensive remarks, if aimed at nationalists, can be deemed justifiable.
 
 
# Crazyhill 2010-08-30 22:07
When in trouble, 'The Establishment' closes ranks and forms a circle. If the David Kelly enquiry has no chance of getting anyone in 'The Establishment' to admit the facts, then what chance have we distant residents of the northernmost province in getting satisfaction?! No wonder the ninth legion disappeared somewhere in the highlands!! It was so far away that no-one could bother them!!
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-08-31 09:53
Dera Jimbo,

I see you have had the same letter as me!

i found the line "We are also mindful that half the panel were Scottish, and Deech admitted her mother was Scottish, etc, etc." totally bizare, as if just because Deech is hald Scottish that allows her to make these sort of commnents?

Anyway, how can they state that half the panel were Scots??They were all English establishment figures.

OFCOM & the BBC must have compared notes?
 
 
# Dougie Douglas 2010-08-30 22:45
I have just received the standard response. This is a bit unfortunate because I did not make a standard compliant.

I deliberately did not mention in which part of the broadcast there was racist and offensive material, I said that if I needed to clarify in which segment the racist material was in I would be happy to do so. It wasn't required - back came the standard response referring to the Al-Megrhai section. If my complaint made no reference to this section they have nominated this section of the program as being offensive and racist entirely by making reference to it!

Secondly I specifically asked if making a complaint to OFFCOM and my MP and MSP would on anyway prejudice my complaint with them. I sought a very simple and specific clarification about their own complaint process. No advice about their own process was tendered.

Suffice to say I have followed the matter up seeking clarification on both these points. The problem for the BBC is that they are entirely accountable to us taxpayers. I would mirror the general sentiment on here - if you are not happy with their response - get 5 friends to complain also and keep on pressing this matter until a satisfactory response is received.
 
 
# chicmac 2010-08-30 23:45
Gaavster says:
 
 
# Marian 2010-08-31 07:39
I too have received the standard reply from the BBC however I am so incensed by this that I want to take it much further.

I have never complained to the BBC about anything before but this broadcast is definitely beyond the pale.

If Deech and Fraser had been referring to Muslims or Jews instead of Scots I am absolutely certain they would be facing criminal charges by now, so why should we Scots be unique in having to put up with this?

I note that OFCOM (which as far as i can see is packed with Labour luvvies) has also sent out a standard reply.

Can someone please advise or suggest what the next course of action should be if we want to take this matter further?

Would it do any good complaining to the Race Relations Board or the European Court of Human Rights, or en masse withholding of the BBC licence fee?
 
 
# chicmac 2010-08-31 15:31
Marian,
Don't know if your a member, but in the Smeddum campaign group one project that is being looked at is the possible use of the ECHR, in particular in respect to the Covenant's wordings regarding freedom of political expression and the interpretation of what 'plurality' means regarding the media. There have been recent case studies where the ECHR has made it very clear that public broadcasters must ensure plurality and represent all strands of opinion without bias and the necessity of that for a democracy. However, the cases found so far have been more blatant than the crafty beeb. A dosier of evidence would be required to be built first.
 
 
# Old Smokey 2010-08-31 07:50
Just received this reply to my complaint,looks like standard BBC fayre
'Thanks for contacting the BBC with your comments about ‘Any Questions?’ broadcast on 20 August 2010.

We understand you felt the programme was offensive to Scottish people. We raised your concerns with the Editor, Alice Feinstein, who replied as follows:

"I’m sorry that you did not like what you heard during the section of the programme that dealt with the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

‘Any Questions?’ aims to provoke lively debate on the big news stories of the week and has always been a place where strong opinions are aired. In this particular edition it is true that there was some strong criticism of Scottish politics and Scottish nationalism but I did not see these comments as racist or anti Scottish:: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians, mainly in the context of the al-Megrahi case and also more generally on the subject of devolution itself. The chair, Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made.

Another element of ‘Any Questions?’ is the reaction of the audience in the hall, but I would like to point out that we only hear from those people who choose to voice their reactions. These responses should therefore not be taken to represent the audience as a whole who may hold a wide range of differing opinions.

‘Any Questions?’ achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are balanced over the series: On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision to "to grant the compassionate early release of a dying man." We also encourage a range of opinion by inviting listeners to call in to ‘Any Answers?’ and challenge the opinions that they hear on ‘Any Questions?’.

The views expressed by the panellists are not necessarily shared by the BBC. The panellists reveal themselves in the comments they choose to make and we leave it to listeners to make up their own minds about what they hear.

I do hope you will continue to listen to ‘Any Questions?’."

We'd also like to assure you that we’ve registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for contacting the BBC.

Kind Regards

BBC Audience Services'

Interesting slant from the BBC 'but I did not see these comments as racist or anti Scottish:: to my mind the comments, though strongly expressed, were focussed on the political opinions and behaviour of some Scottish politicians' So clearly the BBC dont have a problem when Scottish Politicians are attacked, especially as those just happen to be those of the SNP'
Then there was 'Eddie Mair, intervened at several points to challenge the panellists on the comments that were made' I must have missed those or were they edited out?
But the telling remark is the following 'Any Questions?’ achieves a balance of opinion by visiting a wide range of venues across the UK and inviting a mix of panellists to take part in the programme. We regularly visit Scotland and invite members of the SNP to appear on the panel. The comments made in this week's programme are balanced over the series: On 23 July 2010 the programme came from Lochinver and Fergus Ewing from the SNP gave a full defence of the Scottish Parliament and Kenny MacAskill's decision'
Clearly the person from the BBC has missed the point in that the remarks made were generally anti Scottish (eg remark about benefits, Scotland being subsidised...) Also mentioning the SNP would be a sunconscience admission that they saw the programme attacking the SNP and not the Scottish people
 
 
# breadandcheese 2010-08-31 16:35
Deech's wikipedia page has been amended again. The person who removed the relevant section says on the discussions page that this is of minor importance and only of very narrow interest, along with other irrelevant nonsense. It might be helpful to go there, read what s/he says and contest their reasons. Then you can undo the edit or change the page, as you see fit:
en.wikipedia.org/.../...
 
 
# cattwister 2010-09-02 01:29
Anyone reading this and going off to Wikipedia to sort things out, be polite and realise who you are talking to first before you say anything. There are solid reasons that the additions to Deech's page are not being allowed to stand. See my next comment below...
 
 
# scotali 2010-08-31 18:18
Ruth Deech has a blog, but the comments are all moderated (not by her but by another peer). lordsoftheblog.net/.../....

She is also on Twitter twitter.com/BaronessDeech.

Would it be worth asking the Equality & Human Rights Commission www.equalityhumanrights.com/ to investigate and/or reporting the inflammatory comments to the police?
 
 
# enneffess 2010-08-31 23:03
It is a pity that the CSC is not a registered charity (similar organisations are). If they had been, a complaint to the Charities Commission would have been more productive. I used to work for a national charity (not fundraising type) and the commission takes great offence to such behaviour as demonstrated by Mr Murray.

It is worth pointing out that one of the CSCs aims is to "promote tolerance".

Oh dear.......
 
 
# J Wil 2010-09-01 10:06
It seems this controversy has now hit the pages of the Scotsman. What is needed now is a letter to the Herald to circulate the story to the population somewhat and there is always the Sunday Post who might run with the story if it was drawn to their attention.
That would get a few danders up I'm sure.
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-09-01 10:27
Yes,
Joan McAlpine has a well written piece. In today's Scotsman, which as far as I know is the only newspaper article about this. Hopefully it will generate some letters within the readership. For those of you who can't bear to buy the Scotsman, it might appear on her website "Go Lassie Go" before long.
 
 
# nikephorius 2010-09-01 10:30
[quote name="nikephorius"]Yes,
Joan McAlpine has a well written piece. In today's Scotsman, which as far as I know is the only newspaper article about this.

Sorry, That should read:
"Joan McAlpine has a well written piece, in today's Scotsman, which as far as I know is the only newspaper article about this."
 
 
# breadandcheese 2010-09-01 11:45
If you have the time and the inclination, go to Baroness Deech's Wikipedia page. On the Discussion page (tab to top left of main page) present a reasoned argument for the inclusion of this episode. Certain contributors are refusing to let it be included.
 
 
# cattwister 2010-09-02 01:11
breadandcheese, by "certain contributors" are you referring to "Jimbo Wales"? If so, have you clicked on his name to see who he is? Reasoned argument is not going to cut it on this one, what we need are multiple news sources that echo what we all feel about Baroness Deech's words. That is the only criteria by which they will allow her "alleged" controversial words to be included in the article. Given the current state of MSM in Scotland, this is pretty much a Catch 22 situation.
 
 
# breadandcheese 2010-09-02 13:09
I've just read the discussion page again. I totally agree with you. A lot of people have commented on this on personal blogs. Baroness Deech has even responded on her House of Lords blog, but she avoided addressing the main issue. Unless you have multiple MSM articles to cite, I don't think there's much point in joining the Wikipedia discussion. Catch 22, as you say.
 
 
# truth 2010-09-02 19:20
Remember there is a Scotsman article.

However it is premium content and can't just be read by anyone. The article is here if it helps: heritage.scotsman.com/.../...

I'll see if I can find anything else. If so, I'll edit this post.
 
 
# hbob 2010-09-01 18:23
None of this would bother me much if I didn't have to pay for it. Complaining to the BBC won't change the BBC or the peculiar brand of English chauvinism it often represents. The BBC is the agent of English policy in Scotland. We need to be rid of it.
 
 
# enneffess 2010-09-01 22:51
Without going into specifics, a message has been passed to a senior member of the SNP regarding the show via a contact of mine. Hopefully it will generate the desired result.
 
 
# sourplums 2010-09-03 11:47
Excellent article on the BBC. This is of course the same BBC who are not covering the Scottish Autumn rugby autumn internationals. The same BBC who failed to cover Scotland's rugby internationals in Argentina 2 seasons ago. The same BBC who seem to think that the Melrose sevens is Scottish club rugby. The same BBC who until recently would rather have more football chat on radio Scotland on a Friday night than the first half of the Edinburgh and Glasgow professional rugby teams homes games. Then there is BBC ALBA. Why is this not on freeview? That makes the decision to show the Glasgow and Edinburgh games almost irrelvant.
 
 
# Hirta 2010-09-22 17:27
i904.photobucket.com/.../...

BBC News Scotland website ^^^
 
 
# Mr Angry 2010-09-23 08:18
I hear Mr Douglas Murray is back on Call Kay(E) With an E!

What are they discussing?
The Labour leadership contest! Save us from the EBC!!
 
 
# ghetto defendant 2010-10-02 01:37
BBC = Pravda,its as simple as that, but how do we let other Scots see that. the older generation accept the Beeb as gospel, is it possible there are a few Scots who could be shamed into jumping ship if the international perspective on things here changed (if it was prominent enough) Naughtie, Marr? are an embarrassment to themselves if not their wallets ( an old story revisited) We need to access international media Al Jazeera, Russia Today, who look from a different perspective, in the short term a few bridges over the M8 look like prime spots to expand scottish horizons,perspe ctives pre May '11, ... any mcbanksies out there
 
 
# Gill 2010-10-09 22:18
loads of mcbanksies just give the call
 
 
# gedguy2 2011-01-23 07:45
This is an interesting concept:

bbc.co.uk/.../...

[http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/ArtsCultureSpor t/arts/Broadcasting/sdnpanel]

Scottish Digital Network Panel Meeting

Room - Baird B
Atlantic Quay, 150 Broomielaw Glasgow G2 8LU

29 October 2010
14.00-16.00

2nd meeting

Attendance

Neil Blain
Blair Jenkins (Chair)
Judith Mackenzie
Charles McGhee
Kathryn Stewart (Secretariat)
David Wightman


Update from meetings
Chair and panel members updated on the following meetings:

Pauline McNeill MSP
Tavish Scott MSP and Iain Smith MSP
Rob Woodward and Bobby Hain, STV
Dave Rushton, Scottish Local TV Federation
Graham Bryce, Bauer Media
Nicholas Shott
Greg Dyke

Noted that Greg Dyke has been appointed to Chair a committee established by United for Local Television to review the best practice for local TV services.

Conference

Noted that the venue, speakers and the chair have all been confirmed, Greg Dyke has agreed to give the keynote speech.

The format of the event was discussed and noted that the panel was unable to get a speaker to represent commercial radio.

DCMS announcements
The recent spending review announcements were discussed. It was noted that the BBC’s income from the licence fee would be reduced by 16% to provide funding for; S4C, the World Service, broadband rollout, £25m capital investment and £5m annually for local television. Also that the licence fee will remain locked and no further obligations will be placed on it until 2017.


Discussion of SDNP work plan
The potential models for a Scottish Digital Network were discussed, including a stand-alone model or adaptation of existing services, and the need for these to be costed. The importance of the role of broadband to ensure access for any of the models, and the need for universal take-up was highlighted.

Discussion around the spectrum auction, likely to take place second half of 2011.

Next meeting

12/11/10 Atlantic Quay at 14.00.

AOB

It was noted that the decision on Freeview carriage of BBC Alba has still to be made.

Also noted that Jeremy Peat is stepping down from the BBC Trust and that interviews for Trustee for Scotland are taking place in mid November. No one on the panel has applied for the post.

Next steps
Secretariat to send conference invitee list to panel.
Secretariat to get document on HIE broadband pilot.
Secretariat to get information on small nation TV models.
Secretariat to find figures on broadband roll out and speeds and also rough dates for IPTV to be mainstream.


Scottish Digital Network Panel Secretariat
October 2010
 
 
# birsealmighty 2011-01-27 16:28
I have just received a reply from the BBC on this matter and it is a disgrace. They as a public broadcaster are telling me that as a licence payer they do not need to share information between this Newsnet Scotland and them. Neither have they told me whether they have even bothered to respond. This has been sent to my local MP, Stewart Hosie in Dundee East to see whether he can confirm whether the BBC is taking an act of racism seriously and what they have done about it. We have recently saw Sky act against high profile presenters regarding sexism. Why should the BBC be allowed to act differently? If I cannot receive a satisfactory response then I would like the choice as to whether I pay for BBC services from now on! Many channels use scrambler technology. The BBC should be no different.

email response details are below:

Dear Mr Birse

Thanks for your correspondence regarding the Newsnet Scotland article entitled ‘Fury at BBC’s ‘anti-Scottish’ broadcast’.

I understand you would like to know the BBC’s response to an email sent by Newsnet Scotland to the BBC Press Office last August regarding this Any Questions broadcast. However, we are not at liberty to divulge the details of private communication between Newsnet Scotland and the BBC Press Office.

I appreciate that this is unlikely to be the detailed response you were hoping for; nevertheless thanks again for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Yours Sincerely

Andrew Martin

Complaints Advisor

BBC Complaints

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints



NB This is sent from an outgoing account only which is not monitored. You cannot reply to this email address but if necessary please contact us via our webform at the BBC Complaints website www.bbc.co.uk/complaints quoting any case number we provided.



------Original Message------



"Complaint - As a viewer of the website and full licence payer I would like an update from the BBC on this complaint below. I was deeply offended by the bias, racism and downright poor quality of this program.
 
 
# karaokeguitarman 2011-03-13 17:14
We should have the choice of whether we contribute to the BBC funding or not,and watch/listen to their predominantly anglicised and often anti Scottish broadcasting and that should apply to all licence payers of course,everywhe re, but especially since Scotland receives one third of the funding she contributes.
We are being used abused and this cannot be allowed to happen again.The best way to do that is pursue this as vigorously as legal opinion allows.We need to end this once and for all. If we let this go we deserve what we get.WE should at least be as VOCIFEROUS IN CONDEMNATION AS THEY WERE INSULTING toward Scotland and her people!This would never have been allowed if these comments were made against England! That has to be proof if any is needed that WE DARE NOT KEEP QUIET.
 
 
# escoces 2011-03-30 18:06
Here is the e-contact address for Douglas Murray's so called 'Centre For Social Cohesion', You ask them if they share his racist views- www.socialcohesion.co.uk/.../
 

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