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New figures from GERS (Government Expenditure & Revenue in Scotland) for 2010-11 show that an independent Scotland is financially better placed to fund pensions and welfare than the UK as a whole.  Benefits payments in Scotland represent a smaller proportion of total government revenues than they do elsewhere in the UK.

The analysis of the figures from GERS for social protection – which includes state pensions and welfare payments – show that the size of Scotland’s expenditure stands at 40% of Scottish revenues, less than the 42% for the UK.  This compares to 42% for Scotland in 2009-10 and 43% for the UK as a whole.  

The figures relate to sickness and disability pensions and benefits, old age pensions and war pensions, widow’s benefits, family benefits, unemployment related benefits and services, measures to tackle social exclusion and other forms of social protection spending, including local government social protection spending.

Although benefits expenditure already accounts for a smaller proportion of total government spending in Scotland, the true financial situation of an independent Scotland could be even healthier than the GERS figures suggest.  

The expenditure for Scotland also includes a notional share allocated to Scotland for expenditure which is deemed to be “UK national”, although much of this is not spent in Scotland.  “UK national” expenditure includes spending on the London Olympics, major transport infrastructure projects such as the London to Birmingham high speed railway, and defence spending.  The Scottish government believes that Scotland is short-changed by over £1.5 billion annually in defence expenditure.  If a proper reckoning were to be made of these expenditure items, Scotland’s financial situation would be even stronger.

The new GERS figures follow remarks by UK Government Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith who claimed, with no supporting evidence, that benefits would “cost more” in an independent Scotland.  The figures also contradict recent comments by Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson who suggested that an independent Scotland would be unable to afford to maintain benefits payments.

Mr Duncan Smith was also exposed this week for claiming he didn’t recognise the fact that that the tax credit changes would push over 100,000 children into poverty, despite an official HMRC document outlining those figures.

On Thursday Mr Duncan Smith was challenged by Good Morning Scotland (GMS) host Gary Robertson to accept that the tax credit changes would push over 100,000 children into poverty, despite an official HMRC document outlining those figures.

Mr Duncan Smith said: “I do not recognise those figures.”

Yet an official document produced by HMRC in December shows that 84,900 households in Scotland will no longer be eligible for Tax Credits when the changes to the threshold kick-in in April.

This would mean that 118,700 children in Scotland will be affected.

These families represent those who are claiming at or below the family element of the CTC which is worth £545 per year per family and as of April they will fall above the new lower income threshold.

Commenting Jamie Hepburn, Deputy Convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Welfare Reform Committee and SNP MSP for Cumbernauld and Kilsyth, said:

“Yet again we see that no one can trust a word the anti-independence parties say and their unsupported claims boomerang back on them when the facts are presented.

“The official GERS figures show that social protection as a percentage of total revenues in Scotland is consistently lower than it is in the UK.

“Just like he refuses to accept the facts about his tax credit changes the facts show he completely wrong on Scotland’s welfare spend in comparison to the UK.

“Looking at both sides of the balance sheet, over the five-year period from 2006/7 to 2010/11, Scotland was in a stronger financial position relative to the UK as a whole by a total of £8.6 billion- over £1,600 for every man, woman and child in Scotland, or over £3,600 per household.  This underlines the opportunities of independence and financial responsibility.

“Scotland needs independence so that we can deliver a fair and effective welfare system – rather than be on the receiving end of unfair Tory policies – and the figures show that welfare spending in an independent Scotland will be more affordable because it is a smaller share of our tax revenue than is the case for the UK as a whole.”


Comments  

 
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Hirta
2012-03-18 01:52

O/T : bbc.co.uk/…/…

Speechless at Jackie Baillie’s comments!

(oh, and it’s open for comments ^ )
 
 
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Robert Louis
2012-03-18 02:14

I see she is repeating the blanket lie.
 
 
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Angry_Weegie
2012-03-18 02:57

Quoting Hirta:

Speechless at Jackie Baillie’s comments!



Posted a reply to the blanke t story. Wonder if it will stick?

 
 
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Diabloandco
2012-03-18 08:43

“I am astounded that MsBaillie has been quoted regarding” blanket sharing” in hospitals – my understanding is that she has already had to retract that
” Misspeak” due to enraged hospital staff drawing attention to the lack of veracity – not that that seems to bother the media as it merrily will quote any Tom ,Dick or Harry as long as they can denigrate the ELECTED government of Scotland.”

Post removed as ” off topic”.
The BBBC is beyond the pale.
 
 
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hektorsmum
2012-03-18 09:10

Had a look Angry Weegie, no remarks such as I imagine your was, so I think the “BBC” has moderated you off.
 

 
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edinburgh quine
2012-03-18 11:20

Who’s to say they even went to her for a fresh comment. Maybe they just regurgitate some of her old ones.
 

 
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Arbroath1320
2012-03-18 02:08

Sorry for being O/T so early in this thread but I’ve just been stimied by the BBC.

As most folks will recall there was a bit of a hoo ha going on last weekend regarding the EBC’s on line reporting of the interview between Flubber with Blubber and Nicola Sturgeon.

Well folks I’ve just received a reply from the EBC, only a week late, but hey better late than never!

Be prepared to have your flabber gasted!

Quote:

Thank you for your email regarding the Online report on Nicola Sturgeon’s webcast interview with Brian Taylor. We agree that the original headline was not an accurate reflection of what the Deputy First Minister said in the interview. The headline and relevant text of the story have been rewritten to take out references to “relied on” and replaced with “worked with” which is what Ms Sturgeon said in her interview. Regards BBC News Website



Is this the beginning of cracks appearing in the EBC and its “non response” attitude to complaints about their “lack” of service?

 
 
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TheCat
2012-03-18 02:37

Guardian figures on Westminster’s oil revenues (billions):
80/81 – 84/85 36994
85/86 – 89/90 22381
90/91 – 94/95 5905
95/96 – 99/00 11367
00/01 – 04/05 24445
05/06 – 09/10 45188
10/11 8786
Obviously a useless resource that’s more trouble that it’s worth and will contribute nothing to our balance of payments as an independent nation. The lesson is clear from the 10/11 figure looking forward, and the fact that oil prices will inevitably plummet due to the undeniable fact that the scarcer resources become the more worthless they become. Dependency nation from here till 2050/60 or One trillion pound asset? Press buzzer marked YES or buzzer maked NO.
guardian.co.uk/…/…
 
 
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Vincent McDee
2012-03-18 03:16

To argue against facts one ought to be pretty thick or plain cynical.

I truly don’t know what this AIB bunch are going to say after the next May debacle.

Ok, we can ignore them, but that’s not the point, as they still represent half the country and their voters sure deserve better.

By the by, amazing article by Duncan Hamilton in the Britsman: “IS THE SNP now “the people’s party”?

scotsman.com/…/…

“It (Recent events) confirms what every poll or focus group will tell you – that whilst Scotland is still making its mind up on the constitution, we have already decided which party we trust to “stand up for Scotland”.

That gives Labour an almost impossible task of trying to wrestle the initiative back.
 
 
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K Mackay
2012-03-18 03:34

That’s a nice article to see, makes a change for the MSM, especially the scotsman
 
 
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D_A_N
2012-03-18 15:02

not bad.. but they just had to have something bad in the headline. it’s only natural for them. the word ‘mantle’ implies the SNP are posing as the people’s party but are concealing something.

Other than that it was a fairly decent article for their readers on why labour are losing popularity. But could have gone deeper. It’s their immature politics that is doing it mostly if you ask me. aka, voting against everything etc. People are realising they care far more about their own party than the people of Scotland.
 

 
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D_A_N
2012-03-18 04:09

o/t. this comment from the scotsman made me chuckle

‘No to interdependence and to to stupitdity. ‘
 
 
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K Mackay
2012-03-18 04:37

O/T The BBC actually allowing comments on a Scottish article! Blink and you’ll miss it

bbc.co.uk/…/…

Scottish Labour’s health spokeswoman Jackie Baillie accused the SNP of “picking a fight” with Westminster.

She said: “At a time when we have lost 2,000 nurses, our hospitals are crumbling and we don’t have enough blankets for elderly patients, I am amazed that the SNP government is picking a fight with the UK government about what time we can show McDonald’s adverts on television.


Can’t believe she’s still peddling that ‘not enough blankets’ crap. Also, notice ‘about what time we can show McDonald’s adverts on television.’ Is she a shareholder in McDonalds? It would explain a few things…
 
 
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UpSpake
2012-03-18 10:34

Its not so much that Scotland has been a net contributer to the UK Treasury for a great many years, that can be verified, it is that for all these years the establishment line has been the ‘too wee, too poor’ mantra.
Add to this the unquestioning nature of the MSM and broadcast media and the line perpetuates.
We are sold a pack of lies by a parcel of rogues and now we are asked to face cuts when we are still in surplus to the UK ?.
That is not only bizarre but totally unacceptable. It is also why I get hot under the collar in the past with the attitude that we ‘have to accept the cards we are dealt’ arguement.
Not for the first time has Mr. Salmond repeated that line when, in the full or partial knowledge that such a stance was wholly incorrect. It is only recently that he has changed attitude. My question is, if I have had this information, and that information has been shared with the SNP, why has the reaction to such infromation not been substantially more robust ?.
And why, oh why, are we sustaining cuts when there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for us to do so ?
 
 
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Holebender
2012-03-18 11:10

My guess is that if the SNP had adopted your attitude they might have felt a bit better, but they would have come across as screeching harridans who would have (a) justified all those accusations of picking fights with Wastemonster and (b) put off a lot of the voting public we need on our side.

As the saying goes, you’ll trap a lot more wasps with jam than you will with vinegar.
 

 
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Vincent McDee
2012-03-18 10:47

In the Herald today, there is a piece in the columnists section with no name attached:

“I’d trust Herr Harvie if I was running for a bus but would anyone trust Boris to run a bath?”

heraldscotland.com/…/…

This paragraph is part of it:

“In the absence of Alexei Salmonella, the Holyrude government was represented by Fifi Hysterical, Meenister for Tambourines”


Would my fellow NNS posters help me to find out whom?

I’ll love to give him/her a piece of my appreciation.

Also: Do not miss MacWirther’s “Would an independent Scotland tax the rich?”

heraldscotland.com/…/…

Never so true: “Speeches by the Chancellor of the Exchequer are already becoming divorced from Scottish economic realities” + “An independent Scotland should make welfare, poverty and education the priority
 
 
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Legerwood
2012-03-18 18:24

The item you refer to is part of Alan Taylor’s column in the Sunday Herald and his name is attached to it.
 

 
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alexb
2012-03-18 10:48

And with the news that the S.T.U.C are largely backing the Scottish Government,s plan for the independence referendum, including votes for 16/17yr old,s, and the timetable for it to be held in 2014, also the inclusion of a second question on the ballot paper, it leaves you asking the question, what now for those who oppose independence? The mere thought of Grahame Smith, their General Secretary, issuing a statement such as this a few years ago would have been unthinkable considering their links to the Labour Party, so it,s refreshing to say the least to see that independent thinking prevails. Considering this was their reply to a U.K Government survey makes it all the more telling, and I await with “slight” interest the “Scottish Labour Partys” reply. More laughs on the way, I bet.
 
 
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D_A_N
2012-03-18 15:21

this will probably never be mentioned by the MSM, especially the BBC. Labour will avoid all discussion of it.
 
 
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Legerwood
2012-03-18 18:21

It is mentioned in an article in today’s Sunday Herald and has been mentioned in the Herald as well.

But you are right, Labour will not mention it.
 

 
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Ben Power
2012-03-18 10:57

Typical position taken by any of the current ministers. Chosen for ideology and that slavish devotion to ideology and lure of personal profit will always win over common sense and any reality that opposes their position.
 
 
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nemo
2012-03-18 11:56

The article states figures of 40% for Scotland in 10/11 compared to 42% in 09/10. Given a change of 2% in a year and the comparison with England being only a 2% difference, it would be nice to know if this is a trend or simply a volatile measure that might be 2% more than England next year.
Broadening out the topic, the latest reported plans from the coalition, in terms of local pay scales and scrapping of 50% tax, must surely make an independence yes vote more likely, though I cannot help but feel sorry for those south of the border who, like us, wish for a more socially just nation. But here’s the rub – and a question that I haven’t seen raised anywhere yet. If Scotland chooses to go her own way and we eschew the mantra of unconstrained market forces and right wing policies, how would we keep in check the possible influx of those who wish to live in this kind of society? With free movement in the EU, we couldn’t stop people from settling here. But unless we had plans to grow the job market in line with any predicted influx we may find that this figured of 40% may rise quite dramatically as people come here to escape the ravages of the Tories down south? Am I being overly pessimistic in terms of what a Tory government will continue with in years to come – might they be capable of looking after their poor? That was obviously a rhetorical question, but the point remains – will we be attractive for welfare reasons and how could we ensure that we could provide decent standards of living for everyone in our country and who comes to our country, as we would wish to do, without draining funds that are planned for investing in the future of the country. Has anyone had a similar concern or thoughts on the matter?
 
 
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Holebender
2012-03-18 13:24

I am always very sceptical of claims that people will uproot themselves and their families and migrate to a strange land merely to subsist when they get there. I’m sure the overwhelming majority of migrants will do so for a better standard of living, i.e. they’ll come to work.
 
 
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deepwater
2012-03-18 14:26

The system which works best for any nation is education and innovation.

Tomorrow’s Scotland should have reasonably free and open borders. We should encourage the best and brightest to come here.

It is up to us to ensure OUR children are the best equipped for any vacancy, and if we can not do this we as a group should award the position to an incommer.

We must then find a way to ensure the skills lacked are promoted internally, perhaps each company taking such employee must train two apprentices in the discipline lacking over the next decade.
 

 
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Dundonian West
2012-03-18 12:49

O/T.Jackie Baillie,Labour,  re SNP suggested Healthy Eating Initiative,9pm.TV watershed:-
“At a time when we have lost 2,000 nurses, our hospitals are crumbling and we don’t have enough blankets for elderly patients, I am amazed that the SNP government is picking a fight with the UK government about what time we can show McDonald’s adverts on television.”

Have the blinkin blankets no arrived yet?
We had a whipround a week ago.

Anything the Scottish Government does/suggests to improve Scotland’s health she doesn’t even give it ‘grudging’ approval.
Oppose,oppose,o  ppose seems te be her catchphrase.

“Our hospitals are crumbling”.
Reader—think very carefully about those four words she slipped out.

News of iniative courtesy of BBC Scotland.
bbc.co.uk/…/…
 
 
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admiral
2012-03-18 13:20

Quoting Dundonian West:

O/T.Jackie Baillie,Labour,  re SNP suggested Healthy Eating Initiative,9pm.TV watershed:-
“At a time when we have lost 2,000 nurses, our hospitals are crumbling and we don’t have enough blankets for elderly patients, I am amazed that the SNP government is picking a fight with the UK government about what time we can show McDonald’s adverts on television.”

Have the blinkin blankets no arrived yet?
We had a whipround a week ago.

Anything the Scottish Government does/suggests to improve Scotland’s health she doesn’t even give it ‘grudging’ approval.
Oppose,oppose,o  ppose seems te be her catchphrase.

“Our hospitals are crumbling”.
Reader—think very carefully about those four words she slipped out.

News of iniative courtesy of BBC Scotland.
bbc.co.uk/…/…




Don’t those PFI providers so beloved of Labour (theor Cty of London chums make so much money!) keep their hospitals in good repair then? Tsk, tsk, tsk…

PFI providers do own these buildings and it is their responsibility to maintain properties, not the NHS!

 
 
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Legerwood
2012-03-18 18:19

Quote:

PFI providers do own these buildings and it is their responsibility to maintain properties, not the NHS!



The hospitals are owned by the PFI providers BUT, it is part of the leasing contract with the NHS that the NHS pays for the maintenance and must pay that cost before any thing else such as salaries etc for NHS staff. So when it comes to the NHS saving money they cannot save on maintenance in PFI hospitals. If the NHS needs to amke savings in PFI hospitals then it has to be on staffing costs, or drugs, or blankets.


Same with the schools. The PFI provisders set up service companies and they provide the janitorial services for the schools.

Think ‘dripping roast’ and you get the picture.

 

 
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Diabloandco
2012-03-18 13:27

A few of the posts pointing out Ms Baillie and her misspeaks have now appeared on the BBBC article .
 
 
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Saltire Groppenslosh
2012-03-18 14:57

I just got moderated to hell and back by the BBC but they did allow a comment regarding the rate of infections in Scottish hospitals being teh highest in Europe where Jackie Baillie quoted figures that were actually from 2005/2006 when Labour were in power in Holyrood. I asked where’s the retraction for that one?

Jackie Baillie and the BBC. Not fit for purpose in Scotland.
 
 
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Dundonian West
2012-03-18 15:53

“Jackie Baillie and the BBC. Not fit for purpose in Scotland.”.
I know very little about the Baillie blankets,but agree re the State Broadcaster.
 

 
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Saltire Groppenslosh
2012-03-18 15:18

Really sorry about this O/T but I think it’s relevant to teh BBC thing.

I have been modded of and I received 6 emails identical to each other except the comment of mine that was being modded.

Here’s the first one;-

Dear BBC Visitor,

Thank you for contributing to the BBC web site. Unfortunately we’ve had to remove the content below because it contravened one of our House Rules.

Your comment was considered to have broken the following House Rule:

“We reserve the right to fail comments which…

Are considered to be off-topic for the discussion.”

For more information about the House Rule your comment broke, please visit – bbc.co.uk/…/…

You can read the House Rules in full here – bbc.co.uk/…/…

Please do not reply to this email. If you wish to appeal against a moderation decision, please visit – bbc.co.uk/…/…

Please note that anyone who seriously or repeatedly breaks the House Rules may have action taken against their account without further warning.

Regards,
BBC Moderation Team.
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs
www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards


URL of content (now removed):

bbc.co.uk/…/…

Subject:

Call for pre-watershed ban on junk food advertising

Posting:

Jackie Baillie’s comments beggar belief –

I would ask that she PROVES her assertions and the basis of her statement as it has been proved in the past that she tells big lies in the hope that she wont have to retract any of her fabrication. This is yet another instance where the SNP propose something and Labour oppose it automatically. They are a train-crash of a party, goodbye Labour. xxx

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I wont bore you with all the identical stuff, I just put my comments.

>>>>>>>>>>
Why is my comment being moderated? I simply asked Jackie Baillie to PROVE her assertions before lying again. The BBC really must stop being so biased.
>>>>>>>>>>
Are you moderating me because I’m telling the truth? We still haven’t seen a retraction by Ms Baillie over the bedsheet lie.
>>>>>>>>>>
BBC, all I can say is that by your biased action against the SNP and the previous lack of a comment facility (why?) have shown that the Scottish public cannot trust you to carry any messages leading up to the referendum. The Scottish people need truth and need a broadcaster that can be trusted to carry the truth to them. The BBC isn’t fit for purpose in Scotland.
>>>>>>>>>>
Oh and what about Ms Baillie’s “Scottish hospitals have the highest rate of infection in Europe”. Another SNP accused story picked up by the BBC. Except the figures she was using was 2005/2006 when Labour were in power in Holyrood. Where’s the retraction on that?
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The BBC are at it again – extremely biased. Dont worry, all of this is being logged. We are considering the moderators actions with some interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
The final one was just to make the B****rds sweat a little.

The BBC should not be able to get away with anything like this. Get on their case peeps. Lock up the system if you can with complaints.

One final thing; how can a comment about Jackie Baillies’ lies where she has just told another porker be considered off topic.

“We reserve the right to fail comments which…

Are considered to be off-topic for the discussion.”

They’re having a laugh at our expense. They are the biggest threat to independence. We should treat the BBC as an enemy of the Scottish state.
 
 
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tartanfever
2012-03-18 16:53

SG – I’ve had exactly the same as you.

I’ve had three post removed for daring to question Jackie Baillie and the BBC for putting up her ‘blanket’ quote.

No foul language, no personal snipes, just a straightforward question on my part casting doubt on her allegations.

Typical BBC.
 
 
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Ericmac
2012-03-18 17:34

O/T And yet another old angle being regurgitated.

shetlandtimes.co.uk/…/…
 
 
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Ericmac
2012-03-18 17:37

www.youtube.com/…/

Does anyone have any idea where this came from?
 

 
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call me dave
2012-03-18 15:37

I see ‘cerberus’ the three headed dog that symbolises the unionist AIB is still doing it’s bit. Shroud waving scary barks and snarls as it guards the door to independence.

This afternoon’s contribution on the TV is the old myth that the Shetlands and Orkneys may not go with an independent Scotland.

Tavish Scott is going to reheat this particular chestnut in the fight to save the union in the coming weeks.
he wants more autonomy for the islands.

Following a “disastrous” set of results for the Scottish Liberal Democrats in the Scottish elections in May 2011, Scott offered his resignation as leader.

He claimed the poor showings were in part due to the coalition deal which saw the Liberal Democrats form a government with the Conservatives after the United Kingdom general election, 2010.

But he can still join in with ‘Ruthless’ and her ‘friends of the union’ campaign for the status quo without blushing.

People are no longer persuaded by these pretendy Scottish puppets and now realise they have just to vote once to kill off this dog of war for ever in May 2014..
 
 
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Dundonian West
2012-03-18 15:59

BBC.Saltire Groppenslosh.”Please note that anyone who seriously or repeatedly breaks the House Rules may have action taken against their account without further warning.”
Regards,”

You’ve been warned!

Is this a ‘blanket’ warning,or only the News?
 
 
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Saltire Groppenslosh
2012-03-18 18:10

Good one DW (:D) lol
 
 
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Saltire Groppenslosh
2012-03-18 19:15

Oh here, a belated one that they must have had a think about.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BBC Subject:

Call for pre-watershed ban on junk food advertising

Posting:

I rest my case. I suggest that Jackie Baillie being a politician should be asked to prove these assertions. Here is another instance of her knocking her health service in Scotland and I think the “blankets” lie still hasn’t been retracted from last time. She admitted that on another newspaper column. If Jackie Baillie wants to take action against me then “bring it on”.
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I’ll say it again – Jackie Baillie and the BBC, not fit for purpose in Scotland.
 

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