Sunday, 15 April 2012 01:16
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By G.A.Ponsonby
Videos released on youtube have appeared to cast significant doubt on the willingness and ability of the BBC to cover the independence referendum in an impartial manner.
The videos, containing presentations on Scotland’s forthcoming referendum, show four senior BBC presenters giving their views to what is believed to be an audience of junior BBC staff.
The presenters, including BBC Scotland’s political editor Brian Taylor, are shown attacking the fairness of the SNP’s proposed referendum question and claiming that Alex Salmond is “not impregnable”.
The First Minister is also accused of wanting a devo-max option on the ballot paper in order to give him a “parachute” should Scots fail to back independence.
In the presentations, Scotland is described as being in financial deficit and requiring subsidy. Claims are also made that the SNP are “changing policy in order not to frighten the horses”.
Brian Taylor is shown claiming that Alex Salmond wants to delay the referendum in order to “sow dissent” amongst Unionist parties, and says: “He [Salmond] wants a contest as close as possible to the next UK general election because he believes that by then his Unionist opponents will be fighting each other rather than fighting independence and Alex Salmond. He wants to sow dissent among them.”
Mr Taylor also claimed that the Scottish government’s proposed referendum question was not straightforward and simple. The BBC Scotland man suggested it was designed to elicit a positive response.
On the proposed question, ‘Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?’ Mr Taylor says: “Straightforward, simple – except it’s not.
“The word ‘agree’ according to psepholigists is a welcoming word, it draws people in. People like to agree, they don’t like to disagree so the word there is good.”
Mr Taylor added: “Why does Alex Salmond favour a second question, devo max, devo plus, why not just go for independence, which is the one he has the mandate for?
“He wants a fall-back, he wants a parachute should independence fail to win.”
The BBC Scotland political editor argues that there is a problem adding a second question to the ballot and claims that Scottish Government would have no mandate to pursue devo-max because they favour independence and Westminster does not want it on the ballot paper.
“What does devo-max mandate? Whom does it mandate?” asks Mr Taylor who adds: “Does it mandate the Scottish Government? Nope they can’t do it, it’s got to be Westminster.”
Edited clips of the presentation showing Brian Taylor and Andrew Neil
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The videos also show former Scotman editor and now BBC presenter Andrew Neil launch a series of scathing attacks on the SNP’s stance on Europe.
Andrew Neil questions whether Scotland would be allowed to remain in the EU and claims it may have to join the Euro. The BBC front man also pours scorn on Scotland’s ability to maintain a stable economy and claims that the SNP are seeking to avoid accepting a fair share of UK debt.
Mr Neil is shown saying: “What does worry Alex Salmond is that an independent Scotland would have to apply again for EU membership … but if he has to apply as a new member then under the terms of application now he has to commit to the Euro and to Shengen.”
Mr Neil is also shown attacking Mr Salmond over the Scottish Government’s insistence that legal advice on EU membership remains confidential, in keeping with established protocols.
The videos also show BBC Economics Editor Stephanie Flanders claiming that Scotland is in fiscal deficit. Despite official statistics showing the Scotland in surplus, Ms Flanders claims figures show that Scotland gets ten per cent more from the UK Treasury than it puts in.
“So the question is: Does Scotland get more than she puts in? Answer, yes – about ten per cent more.” she says.
Ms Flanders goes on to claim that by remaining with Sterling, and having to agree a pact with the Bank of England, Scotland would be weakened in terms of the eyes of the world and would therefore have difficulty in obtaining a triple-A credit rating.
The videos, although part of an in house presentation and not for typical public consumption, reveal a group mindset that is almost overwhelmingly Unionist in its logic and conclusions.
Their publication will do little to quell growing concerns over the ability and desire of the BBC to present the referendum debate in an impartial manner. There will be fears that the presentations are part of a drive by the corporation to ensure its staff are ‘on song’ as the referendum debate moves on.
The release of the videos follow complaints by the Scottish Government over the conduct and presentation of the independence issue by several presenters at the BBC, in particular BBC Scotland.
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2012-04-15 01:46
Manna from Heaven, don’t forget we can and will demonstrate against the disgrace that is BBC Scotland. Like the facebook page www.facebook.com/…/
for updates on our imminent first action to highlight the complete lack of impartiality at the BBC.
I also think it would be wise to spread these videos to as many broadcast media outlets as possible, the world over, we have friends out there and we need to use them all.
for updates on our imminent first action to highlight the complete lack of impartiality at the BBC.
I also think it would be wise to spread these videos to as many broadcast media outlets as possible, the world over, we have friends out there and we need to use them all.
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2012-04-15 07:05
But when, Tartan? We need to take action now, and keep taking action, we need to get international involvement and get this propaganda under control. It is no use waiting till the referendum campaign reaches its final stages, most people will have made up their minds long before then. It is so depressing the way they are getting off with this.
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2012-04-15 02:27
And there we have the institutional bias of BBC Scotland laid bare for all to see.
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2012-04-15 02:52
Stephanie disagreed with Andrew Neil over membership of the EU ..
Crossed my mind when listening to Neil that .. ah we might be out of the EU . great! That’s actually a plus. we could join in the Norwegian style relationship with the EU.
…. we can’t take these views at face value ….
the economics especially is in question .. we will only find out the full extend of Westminster’s corrupt theft after independence
Which one of those tools (Brian I think) said Labour’s policy is to help the poor? They’ve been helping the poor in Glasgow only to remain poor for 60 years. Labour’s only policy is to help themselves.
Crossed my mind when listening to Neil that .. ah we might be out of the EU . great! That’s actually a plus. we could join in the Norwegian style relationship with the EU.
…. we can’t take these views at face value ….
the economics especially is in question .. we will only find out the full extend of Westminster’s corrupt theft after independence
Which one of those tools (Brian I think) said Labour’s policy is to help the poor? They’ve been helping the poor in Glasgow only to remain poor for 60 years. Labour’s only policy is to help themselves.
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2012-04-15 02:57
yes I think this is one of the worst displays of Brian’s political leaning. Singing Labour’s song.
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2012-04-15 03:03
Yes, this is very unsettling. Surely this is in violation of the Charter. If so we must demand resignations of these people from the BBC! Brian Taylor says ‘we’ twice when referring to the Union. But Andrew Neil doesn’t even hide his disdain for Alex Salmond and the referendum, he is seething. Be careful not to comment on YouTube itself as that is being monitored by the BBC. Any show of objectional posts and I’m sure the BBC will remove the videos. Perhaps they can be copied just in case?
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2012-04-15 12:17
Good idea. I will do so when I’m on a better connection. If anyone else is so inclined to do so there are programs out there which can save youtube videos to your hard disc.
youtubedownload.altervista.org/
is one such for windows. I haven’t used it myself as this machine runs linux but it should do the job. Clipgrab is a linux equivalent program which I can recommend.
youtubedownload.altervista.org/
is one such for windows. I haven’t used it myself as this machine runs linux but it should do the job. Clipgrab is a linux equivalent program which I can recommend.
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2012-04-15 22:04
Download method for the Mac using Safari: hints.macworld.com/…/ which does seem to work.
Vote yes to change Scotland for Good.
Vote yes to change Scotland for Good.
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2012-04-15 03:11
Well done Newsnet!
We already knew, of course, that this was going on, but the video evidence is great to have.
And you can add, to these ‘impartial’ presenters, all the ‘impartial’ guests they book to give comment.
These guys might as well have been reading from a Labour party press release.
We can’t accept this. There has got to be change.
We already knew, of course, that this was going on, but the video evidence is great to have.
And you can add, to these ‘impartial’ presenters, all the ‘impartial’ guests they book to give comment.
These guys might as well have been reading from a Labour party press release.
We can’t accept this. There has got to be change.
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2012-04-15 03:16
These videos offer eloquent testimony to the lie of BBC impartiality with respect to the issue of independence.
How can BBC Scotland, a state broadcaster, entirely financed by the People of Scotland (Scotland’s contribution to the total BBC budget well exceeds the amount spent on Scottish programming), command any respect in the upcoming campaign – a campaign that will be the prelude to the most important decision made about Scotland’s future in over three centuries?
It is of critical importance that the state media provide to the electorate accurate and impartial information and analyses, so that voters can render a reasoned and informed verdict about the future of their country on polling day.
It is impossible to believe that these four, who comprise the most senior cohort of journalists/interviewers/commentators in the BBC (and its colonial branch), could offer objective, impartial, or fair, information or analyses, to the Nation.
Who could have any confidence that anything they had to say was other than adulterated by their own strong and sometimes, rabid, Unionist sentiments?
What interview or debate among the protagonists could they be trusted to conduct fairly and impartially?
The people of Scotland should be able to trust in the BBC’s much vaunted objectivity and professionalism . How could anyone trust any of these four to deliver the reporting the voter requires, when every single one revealed themselves to be committed Unionists, opposed, or implacably opposed, to Scots becoming masters in their own house?
Now, these four individuals are influential in setting the tone and framing the national debate, but they also reflect the institutional biases of the BBC as a whole, and of BBC Scotland in particular.
If these four very senior employees are staunch Unionists what is the probability that those BBC employees they hire, direct, and counsel,reflect their mentors values and political biases?
Undoubtedly those staunch, committed Unionists, would argue that as professionals they will rise above the fray. Alas, given the many examples of unfair and rude treatment BBC operatives have dished out to Sottish Government ministers and spokesmen, who would believe them? They are simply not credible.
The people of Scotland deserve better.
How can BBC Scotland, a state broadcaster, entirely financed by the People of Scotland (Scotland’s contribution to the total BBC budget well exceeds the amount spent on Scottish programming), command any respect in the upcoming campaign – a campaign that will be the prelude to the most important decision made about Scotland’s future in over three centuries?
It is of critical importance that the state media provide to the electorate accurate and impartial information and analyses, so that voters can render a reasoned and informed verdict about the future of their country on polling day.
It is impossible to believe that these four, who comprise the most senior cohort of journalists/interviewers/commentators in the BBC (and its colonial branch), could offer objective, impartial, or fair, information or analyses, to the Nation.
Who could have any confidence that anything they had to say was other than adulterated by their own strong and sometimes, rabid, Unionist sentiments?
What interview or debate among the protagonists could they be trusted to conduct fairly and impartially?
The people of Scotland should be able to trust in the BBC’s much vaunted objectivity and professionalism . How could anyone trust any of these four to deliver the reporting the voter requires, when every single one revealed themselves to be committed Unionists, opposed, or implacably opposed, to Scots becoming masters in their own house?
Now, these four individuals are influential in setting the tone and framing the national debate, but they also reflect the institutional biases of the BBC as a whole, and of BBC Scotland in particular.
If these four very senior employees are staunch Unionists what is the probability that those BBC employees they hire, direct, and counsel,reflect their mentors values and political biases?
Undoubtedly those staunch, committed Unionists, would argue that as professionals they will rise above the fray. Alas, given the many examples of unfair and rude treatment BBC operatives have dished out to Sottish Government ministers and spokesmen, who would believe them? They are simply not credible.
The people of Scotland deserve better.
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2012-04-15 03:23
Now for something completely different…
Lena Wilson interview at chayom.org/…/2011
Also an interview shown yesterday on France 24. Can’t find it online though.
Lena Wilson interview at chayom.org/…/2011
Also an interview shown yesterday on France 24. Can’t find it online though.
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2012-04-15 06:31
Thanks, it’s good to see someone outside the SNP doing so much to talk Scotland up.
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2012-04-15 10:35
Very impressed with Lena Wilson. Hope she is a nat at heart. She would make a great FM of an independent Scotland. The interviewer I think had fallen in love with her by the end of the interview.
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2012-04-15 12:21
Alan, looking for your French TV report I found this March 2012 article, a very positive take on Scottish independence, including the words: “j’imagine déjà les titres des journalistes : après le divorce de velours, le divorce de tartan)” and concluding “Ainsi, cette indépendance écossaise est tout d’abord possible”
alliancegeostrategique.org/…/…
The only bug is the 2 devastating comments by “Natalie” who claims to have the true low-down on the Scots, and does a complete hatchet job (she seems to live in Edinburgh).
If your French is up to it, why don’t you get in there and engage with this person?
alliancegeostrategique.org/…/…
The only bug is the 2 devastating comments by “Natalie” who claims to have the true low-down on the Scots, and does a complete hatchet job (she seems to live in Edinburgh).
If your French is up to it, why don’t you get in there and engage with this person?
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2012-04-15 21:51
Her rant is to the point of hatred. There is something up with this girl. I think she has personal issues. She has a go at almost everything including muslims and apparently we’re all anti-semites too, also mentioning eugenics and cleansing!
And yet with all this utter loathing she’s apparently still happy to live in Edinburgh. Strange. The next poster suggests she gets some professional mental help. I agree.
And yet with all this utter loathing she’s apparently still happy to live in Edinburgh. Strange. The next poster suggests she gets some professional mental help. I agree.
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2012-04-15 21:00
Why is this Lena Wilson not a household name in Scotland ?
Too positive for our BBC friends I guess ;-(
Too positive for our BBC friends I guess ;-(
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2012-04-16 09:49
Yes its refreshing to hear her talk very positively about Scottish prospects. Would be nice to hear from her on Newsnight Scotland once in a while, as a change from the regular half dozen miserable looking souls who dominate proceedings.
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2012-04-15 04:04
This could easily have been a unionist strategy meeting. It is clear from this that these journalists broadly agree with the unionist arguments against independence. Some may argue that we are being too touchy and that it is the job of journalists to ask questions about the Scottish Government’s position. However, something was conspicuous by its absence. While these four journalists provided us with a 40 minute-ish trashing of the pro-independence position, no similiar critique was made of the unionist position. The focus was on what Alex Salmond says and why he is wrong (in the minds of the speakers).
When will the BBC start asking unionists the same difficult questions they pose to pro-independence politicians and supporters? I don’t mind journalists asking the First Minister hard questions but when was the last time you heard David Cameron having to answer difficult questions from the BBC in defence of Scotland staying in the union? Until that day comes (and it probably won’t), the BBC will continue to harbour an anti-independence bias and I’m not entirely convinced that some of them even realise they’re doing it.
When will the BBC start asking unionists the same difficult questions they pose to pro-independence politicians and supporters? I don’t mind journalists asking the First Minister hard questions but when was the last time you heard David Cameron having to answer difficult questions from the BBC in defence of Scotland staying in the union? Until that day comes (and it probably won’t), the BBC will continue to harbour an anti-independence bias and I’m not entirely convinced that some of them even realise they’re doing it.
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2012-04-15 05:15
Quoting PrideoftheClyde :
This is the critical point which I agree with PrideoftheClyde . This clearly shows their bias towards the union and the status quo(what we all knew anyway).
This shows for all to see at home and abroad that the BBC cannot be trusted to be impartial to this topic and requires international attention.
something was conspicuous by its absence. While these four journalists provided us with a 40 minute-ish trashing of the pro-independence position, no similiar critique was made of the unionist position.
This is the critical point which I agree with PrideoftheClyde . This clearly shows their bias towards the union and the status quo(what we all knew anyway).
This shows for all to see at home and abroad that the BBC cannot be trusted to be impartial to this topic and requires international attention.
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2012-04-15 18:09
Quoting PrideoftheClyde :
This is exactly the line I took on a post on YouTube I think it was PoC. If we didn’t know they were BBC personnel we would have been forgiven for thinking they were part of the Unionist strategy Committee.
It’s an absolute disgrace and I very much hope this YouTube video goes viral, at least within the UK.
NewsNet is to be congratulated once again for highlighting Unionist bias in the media, especially BBC Scotland.
VOTE YES in 2014
This could easily have been a unionist strategy meeting.
This is exactly the line I took on a post on YouTube I think it was PoC. If we didn’t know they were BBC personnel we would have been forgiven for thinking they were part of the Unionist strategy Committee.
It’s an absolute disgrace and I very much hope this YouTube video goes viral, at least within the UK.
NewsNet is to be congratulated once again for highlighting Unionist bias in the media, especially BBC Scotland.
VOTE YES in 2014
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2012-04-15 08:23
I have RealPlayer installed on my laptop and when you play the video it allows you to save it to your harddrive.
I’m sure there must be other software as well.
I’m sure there must be other software as well.
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2012-04-15 10:51
Quoting Nation Libre:
YouTube Downloader is one of many applications that allows the downloading and even the conversion of videos into many other formats if required.
Please remember to respect copyright law!
Get it here:
youtubedownload.altervista.org/
More info:
download.cnet.com/…/…
Where can we download a hard copy of these?
YouTube Downloader is one of many applications that allows the downloading and even the conversion of videos into many other formats if required.
Please remember to respect copyright law!
Get it here:
youtubedownload.altervista.org/
More info:
download.cnet.com/…/…
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2012-04-15 12:40
For proper browsers such as Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox you can get browser extensions such as Flash Video Downloader (www.flashvideodownloader.org)
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2012-04-15 06:52
This is nothing but in house coaching of staff, to ensure they have the same unionist anti SNP views.
This is proof, if ever it were needed, that political bias against the SNP and in favour of the union is institutionalis ed within the BBC.
We are supposed to live in a democracy, yet here we see supposed state paid ‘journalists’ (I use the word loosely) telling people how to think.
The BBC cannot ever be trusted to represent Scotland fairly. The BBC is not fit for purpose, and needs to play NO part in broadcasting in the run up to the referendum. It needs shut down.
This is proof, if ever it were needed, that political bias against the SNP and in favour of the union is institutionalis ed within the BBC.
We are supposed to live in a democracy, yet here we see supposed state paid ‘journalists’ (I use the word loosely) telling people how to think.
The BBC cannot ever be trusted to represent Scotland fairly. The BBC is not fit for purpose, and needs to play NO part in broadcasting in the run up to the referendum. It needs shut down.
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2012-04-15 19:47
if this was a briefing video from the leader of the Labour party to the foot soldiers prior to an election campaign it would be a very fair summary in many ways. The fact there doesn’t seem to be an equivalent fron the Yes campaign perspective is astounding. No attempt at pretending to be even handed.
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2012-04-15 07:12
The more I watch, the more astonished I am. Andrew Neil states that the act (he probably meant treaty, but doesn’t appreciate the difference) act of union of 1707 was a financial bailout due to Darien. Seriously, what a fool. Anybody who attempts to use Darien in 1698 as argument against Scottish independence needs their head read. Most of the people who signed it, were paid money (bribes), and some of those HAD lost their fortunes in Darien. It is important to note however, that at the time of union, Scotland was not bankrupt at all, and indeed tax receipts had just risen that year. You can read an excellent analysis of it here;
wingsland.podgamer.com/…/
However, I find it very odd, that a supposed political journalist such as Andrew Neil, originating from Scotland has such a poor understanding of the history of his own country. No wonder people in whitehall talk such nonsense about Scotland, if they are relying on factually inaccurate nonsense such as that from Andrew Neil.
You could say, that his opinion of the treaty of union is merely a very shallow and ill-founded verbatim recitation of the Britnat view of Scotland.
Never let the truth or the facts get in the way, eh Andrew?
wingsland.podgamer.com/…/
However, I find it very odd, that a supposed political journalist such as Andrew Neil, originating from Scotland has such a poor understanding of the history of his own country. No wonder people in whitehall talk such nonsense about Scotland, if they are relying on factually inaccurate nonsense such as that from Andrew Neil.
You could say, that his opinion of the treaty of union is merely a very shallow and ill-founded verbatim recitation of the Britnat view of Scotland.
Never let the truth or the facts get in the way, eh Andrew?
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2012-04-15 12:14
Was Andrew Neil not a student and employee of the renowned Robert Maxwell? not to forget another disciple Hellen Liddle?
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2012-04-15 12:24
Quoting Robert Louis:
Which illustrates why Neil was such a failure as editor of the Hootsmon, that he contributed in great part to its current failed state, both in circulation and shares value.
The more I watch, the more astonished I am. Andrew Neil states that the act (he probably meant treaty, but doesn’t appreciate the difference) act of union of 1707 was a financial bailout due to Darien. Seriously, what a fool. Anybody who attempts to use Darien in 1698 as argument against Scottish independence needs their head read. Most of the people who signed it, were paid money (bribes), and some of those HAD lost their fortunes in Darien. It is important to note however, that at the time of union, Scotland was not bankrupt at all, and indeed tax receipts had just risen that year. You can read an excellent analysis of it here;
wingsland.podgamer.com/…/
However, I find it very odd, that a supposed political journalist such as Andrew Neil, originating from Scotland has such a poor understanding of the history of his own country. No wonder people in whitehall talk such nonsense about Scotland, if they are relying on factually inaccurate nonsense such as that from Andrew Neil.
You could say, that his opinion of the treaty of union is merely a very shallow and ill-founded verbatim recitation of the Britnat view of Scotland.
Never let the truth or the facts get in the way, eh Andrew?
Which illustrates why Neil was such a failure as editor of the Hootsmon, that he contributed in great part to its current failed state, both in circulation and shares value.
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2012-04-15 22:05
You just need to look at his so-called politics show week in, week out. It’s utter garbage. Not a political topics show per se but more Andrew Neil ‘look I’m on telly’ show.
In Fleet Street circles it was well-known that he was looked down upon as being not fit to edit a serious newspaper. How true they were. Then of course was his alleged ‘relationship’ with Pamella Bordes. Brillo is an utter fraud that has found his home with the BBC, and I’m disgusted that I pay his wages.
In Fleet Street circles it was well-known that he was looked down upon as being not fit to edit a serious newspaper. How true they were. Then of course was his alleged ‘relationship’ with Pamella Bordes. Brillo is an utter fraud that has found his home with the BBC, and I’m disgusted that I pay his wages.
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2012-04-15 17:59
RL,
More and more it is the Unionists who are harking back to the past while the SNP looks to the future.
More and more it is the Unionists who are harking back to the past while the SNP looks to the future.
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2012-04-15 07:14
Three important questions;
1 where were these indoctrination sessions held
2 Who was in the audience/what was the purpose
3 Were they paid for by the taxpayer??
Can we have answers from the BBC.
1 where were these indoctrination sessions held
2 Who was in the audience/what was the purpose
3 Were they paid for by the taxpayer??
Can we have answers from the BBC.
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2012-04-15 08:06
Quoting Robert Louis:
BBC College of Journalism: youtube.com/…/…
Three important questions;
1 where were these indoctrination sessions held
2 Who was in the audience/what was the purpose
3 Were they paid for by the taxpayer??
Can we have answers from the BBC.
BBC College of Journalism: youtube.com/…/…
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2012-04-15 07:45
This is unbelievable, how on earth can the BBC now say that any coverage is unbiased will be writing to them complaining yet again, but where do we go from here? The statements from Taylor and Neil were a total mis-representation of the facts in other words RUBBISH
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2012-04-15 08:09
Well, I dont think these clips will surprise many of us, these people are typical Unionists, they will put their own self interest as individuals and as groups of self serving individuals – (Labour and the other unionist partys) before the interests and the well being of the people as a whole everytime. The British Brainwashing corporation right enough.
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2012-04-15 08:10
Apart from all the negativity, its nice to see Andrew Neil agreeing with the Scottish Democratic Alliance in that we have always said that upon independence Scotland would have to re-apply to join the EU. That decsion was reached without the assistance of law professors from Glasgow and Edinburgh, or dubious legal brains from Westminster. It came right from the heart of the EU.
What Andrew Neil didn’t go on to say was that to re-join the EU would be sheer and utter madness. It is our stance that the EU is a millstone around Scotland’s neck and the solution is to simply not apply to join.
There you are. All problems solved. Oh! And Brian Taylor should consider retiring because the chances of him ever again being respected as an impartial BBC commentator have just gone down the plughole.
What impartial organisation could ever think of employing him again?
What Andrew Neil didn’t go on to say was that to re-join the EU would be sheer and utter madness. It is our stance that the EU is a millstone around Scotland’s neck and the solution is to simply not apply to join.
There you are. All problems solved. Oh! And Brian Taylor should consider retiring because the chances of him ever again being respected as an impartial BBC commentator have just gone down the plughole.
What impartial organisation could ever think of employing him again?
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2012-04-15 08:12
The cat is out if the bag folks. The partiality of the BBC has been exposed in all its absurd and lurid glory. Time to answer some difficult questions yourselves messers Taylor, Neil et al. Shameful. Time to do the decent thing and resign?
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2012-04-15 08:21
I have made an appeal to Mr Taylor on my blog. Maybe he’ll read it, but then I’m a mere member of the great unwashed public.
creatingawave.blogspot.co.uk/
We have a democratic deficit in Scotland. It’s dangerous.
creatingawave.blogspot.co.uk/
We have a democratic deficit in Scotland. It’s dangerous.
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2012-04-15 08:26
All videos posted at the Universality of Cheese on Friday the 13th. You know Newsnet, just the tiniest nod of accreditation goes a long way.
…/young-unionist-warrior-know-your-enemy.html
As to the ludicrous and somewhat paranoid assertion that these are ‘leaked videos’ I can exclusively reveal, that they are freely available for play and download at the BBC College of Journalism youtube channel, where I found them after a tip from a facebook friend.
youtube.com/…/bbccojovideo
I’m led to believe that they were filmed at the new Salford BBC centre.
The audience comprised of, rather unsurprisingly, young journalists, from both the BBC and outside agencies.
The BBC College of Journalism was set up following the Hutton Enquiry which investigated the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr David Kelly, the government scientist named by BBC journalist Andrew Gilligan as the source of a story on Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction,
The subsequent Neil Report set out lessons learnt from Hutton and strongly recommended the BBC set up a College of Journalism to improve the skills of its journalists, including a thorough induction programme. Something Newsnet might consider.
…/young-unionist-warrior-know-your-enemy.html
As to the ludicrous and somewhat paranoid assertion that these are ‘leaked videos’ I can exclusively reveal, that they are freely available for play and download at the BBC College of Journalism youtube channel, where I found them after a tip from a facebook friend.
youtube.com/…/bbccojovideo
I’m led to believe that they were filmed at the new Salford BBC centre.
The audience comprised of, rather unsurprisingly, young journalists, from both the BBC and outside agencies.
The BBC College of Journalism was set up following the Hutton Enquiry which investigated the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr David Kelly, the government scientist named by BBC journalist Andrew Gilligan as the source of a story on Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction,
The subsequent Neil Report set out lessons learnt from Hutton and strongly recommended the BBC set up a College of Journalism to improve the skills of its journalists, including a thorough induction programme. Something Newsnet might consider.
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2012-04-15 08:45
Me, me, me it’s all about me!
I’m simply saying that Newsnet have turned a glimpse into the inner workings of senior BBC bods into a paranoia fest with that headline. And yes as I blogged about it two days ago and 2,356 folk have already visited the site, particularly after I posted a link to it on Newsnet on Friday I’d say a nod towards the source is standard fare for most folk in the blogging world.
I’m simply saying that Newsnet have turned a glimpse into the inner workings of senior BBC bods into a paranoia fest with that headline. And yes as I blogged about it two days ago and 2,356 folk have already visited the site, particularly after I posted a link to it on Newsnet on Friday I’d say a nod towards the source is standard fare for most folk in the blogging world.
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2012-04-15 08:52
I agree about the paranoia but I find it incredible that the beeb are so open as to post them on Youtube, it’s almost as if they are quite proud of them.
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2012-04-15 09:10
In Taylor and Neill, it’s as PH Scott wrote about the ‘internal Angliciser’ mindset. Robinson and Flanders are merely speaking from the metropolitan/colonial perspective.
The very fact that they are having these seminars speaks volumes about the fear in Unionist quarters and the need to cement their agenda. Each one of those young BBC minds is now off having sat through a boring couple of hours with easily digestible pro-union sound bites, which we will see repeated ad infinitum throughout the UK on radio, tv and the web as considered opinion.
The very fact that they are having these seminars speaks volumes about the fear in Unionist quarters and the need to cement their agenda. Each one of those young BBC minds is now off having sat through a boring couple of hours with easily digestible pro-union sound bites, which we will see repeated ad infinitum throughout the UK on radio, tv and the web as considered opinion.
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2012-04-15 09:45
Very eloquently put.
As an aside, I did like the point that Stephanie Flanders made that when talking about Scotland the word ‘subsidy’ is used and when talking about the UK ‘deficit’ is used instead.
As an aside, I did like the point that Stephanie Flanders made that when talking about Scotland the word ‘subsidy’ is used and when talking about the UK ‘deficit’ is used instead.
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2012-04-15 11:02
Quoting snowthistle:
Stephanie Flanders was certainly the most honest and professional in her views.
Interestingly it was the two Scots who made the most outrageous suppositions and
stated perversions of the truth as some kind of statement of fact!
Very eloquently put.
As an aside, I did like the point that Stephanie Flanders made that when talking about Scotland the word ‘subsidy’ is used and when talking about the UK ‘deficit’ is used instead.
Stephanie Flanders was certainly the most honest and professional in her views.
Interestingly it was the two Scots who made the most outrageous suppositions and
stated perversions of the truth as some kind of statement of fact!
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2012-04-15 10:27
Quoting snowthistle:
Is the fact they posted them on Youtube not an indication that they do not understand they are being biased? Following the Labour Party line on the referendum is so intrenched at the BBC it doesn’t even occur to them that there is another side.
I agree about the paranoia but I find it incredible that the beeb are so open as to post them on Youtube, it’s almost as if they are quite proud of them.
Is the fact they posted them on Youtube not an indication that they do not understand they are being biased? Following the Labour Party line on the referendum is so intrenched at the BBC it doesn’t even occur to them that there is another side.
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2012-04-15 08:52
Courtesy like saying thank you for taking the time and trouble for sourcing the material costs nothing.
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2012-04-15 12:22
Perfect timing. I’ve got an article in Cal Merc tomorrow about the real referendum date…hopefully!
Sadly none of the blogosphere in Scotland makes money apart from those specialist sites you need to clean your computer with bleach after using, allegedly.
Sadly none of the blogosphere in Scotland makes money apart from those specialist sites you need to clean your computer with bleach after using, allegedly.
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2012-04-16 10:58
“The subsequent Neil Report set out lessons learnt from Hutton and strongly recommended the BBC set up a College of Journalism to improve the skills of its journalists, including a thorough induction programme. Something Newsnet might consider.“
It seems that the skills to be acquired by young journos were to distort the truth.
It seems that the skills to be acquired by young journos were to distort the truth.
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2012-04-15 08:31
Have these videos actually been ‘leaked’? They were posted on Youtube by the BBC College of Journalism which is a commercial wing of the BBC. Doesn’t look like they were trying to keep them secret.
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2012-04-15 09:30
To clarify:
We were alerted to these videos by the following link to our comments: newsnetscotland.com/…/…
The subeditor assumed the videos had been leaked due to their content. The headline has been amended to remove the word ‘leak’, however the article beneath has not been altered in any way save for the word ‘typical’ being placed before public consumption.
A thanks to Mr MacLachlan for pointing to the original source of the videos.
We were alerted to these videos by the following link to our comments: newsnetscotland.com/…/…
The subeditor assumed the videos had been leaked due to their content. The headline has been amended to remove the word ‘leak’, however the article beneath has not been altered in any way save for the word ‘typical’ being placed before public consumption.
A thanks to Mr MacLachlan for pointing to the original source of the videos.
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2012-04-15 09:56
Thank you online editor, here’s the link from the day before.
newsnetscotland.com/…/…
# Mark MacLachlan 2012-04-13 11:18
Masterclass in subtle propaganda from the BBC elders of obfuscation.
…/young-unionist-warrior-know-your-enemy.html
newsnetscotland.com/…/…
# Mark MacLachlan 2012-04-13 11:18
Masterclass in subtle propaganda from the BBC elders of obfuscation.
…/young-unionist-warrior-know-your-enemy.html
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2012-04-15 10:03
You’re welcome sir
We receive many prompts on stories, some in comments and some sent as private messages. Many arrive on the same day and it is impossible to determine where the information originally emerged.
Some we actually uncover ourselves but carry out some research and our story is delayed a day or two as a result, thus giving the impression that we were ‘lifting’ a story from elsewhere.
On this occasion we were unaware of the videos until the links were posted as comments – this is the strength of the comment facility and an indication of just how important the reserach carried out by our own readers can be.
We receive many prompts on stories, some in comments and some sent as private messages. Many arrive on the same day and it is impossible to determine where the information originally emerged.
Some we actually uncover ourselves but carry out some research and our story is delayed a day or two as a result, thus giving the impression that we were ‘lifting’ a story from elsewhere.
On this occasion we were unaware of the videos until the links were posted as comments – this is the strength of the comment facility and an indication of just how important the reserach carried out by our own readers can be.
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2012-04-15 08:35
The SNP should simply make Brian Taylor persona non grata at the next conference, either that or shame him in front of the audience. Petty I know but worth it.
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2012-04-15 08:54
Having watched the whole video again, I believe the input from Stephanie Flanders was more appropriate although she did use some inaccurate or manipulated figures. I am however totally ashamed of Brian Taylor and Andrew Neil. If this were aimed at the Tory or Labour Party, they would now be picking up their P45’s. While watching, it occurred to me that it might be a good exercise to have counter arguments by leading authorities/economists cut into the BBC’s video at each of their ridiculous assumptions/statements and figures, to shoot down their anti-independence propaganda as doubters watching this will still (incredibly) believe the BBC as a reliable source of information
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2012-04-15 09:18
Excellent suggestion. Stieglitz and Andrew Hughes Hallett are already documented on video. Perhaps Newsnet could do this. No pressure.
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2012-04-15 08:54
Brian Taylor’s position is now untenable.
How can he be taken seriously as an impartial commentator when it is clear to everyone that he is no more than a seller of the union, being funded by many members of the Scottish public, who do not agree with his political propaganda?
How can he be taken seriously as an impartial commentator when it is clear to everyone that he is no more than a seller of the union, being funded by many members of the Scottish public, who do not agree with his political propaganda?
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2012-04-15 09:03
From the BBC’s College of Churnalism
www.bbc.co.uk/…/impartiality
Impartiality is one of the hallmarks of all BBC journalism.
Impartiality
Introducing Impartiality
Not all journalism is impartial – not all journalism needs to be.
But the law requires BBC journalists to be impartial – it is a value and requirement that differentiates the BBC from other news sources. It is also part of the BBC’s contract with the audience.
Impartiality is much misunderstood, particularly by those who believe the idea of impartial journalism is a fantasy.
What it isn’t
Impartiality is not the same as objectivity, neutrality or balance … though it contains elements of all three.
It is not the same as simply being fair – though it is unlikely you will be impartial without being fair-minded.
Impartiality requires a journalist to actively seek out and weigh the relevant arguments on any issue and to present them fairly and without personal bias.
It involves providing a breadth of view.
And it does not rule out reporting that is controversial, nor does it prohibit fair, evidence-based judgment of fact.
Here’s more on devolution…
bbc.co.uk/…/…
None of it ties in with Brian’s performance.
www.bbc.co.uk/…/impartiality
Impartiality is one of the hallmarks of all BBC journalism.
Impartiality
Introducing Impartiality
Not all journalism is impartial – not all journalism needs to be.
But the law requires BBC journalists to be impartial – it is a value and requirement that differentiates the BBC from other news sources. It is also part of the BBC’s contract with the audience.
Impartiality is much misunderstood, particularly by those who believe the idea of impartial journalism is a fantasy.
What it isn’t
Impartiality is not the same as objectivity, neutrality or balance … though it contains elements of all three.
It is not the same as simply being fair – though it is unlikely you will be impartial without being fair-minded.
Impartiality requires a journalist to actively seek out and weigh the relevant arguments on any issue and to present them fairly and without personal bias.
It involves providing a breadth of view.
And it does not rule out reporting that is controversial, nor does it prohibit fair, evidence-based judgment of fact.
Here’s more on devolution…
bbc.co.uk/…/…
None of it ties in with Brian’s performance.
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2012-04-15 09:07
Regardless of the source, these videos show especially Brian Taylor as being one sided on the debate. How can he ever seriously be involved in political debates or interviews in Scotland, when we now all know how skewed his views are on the subject.
Had he presented both sides of the discussion, then he could claim credibility, but as matters stand, what we have seen is one sided, and from a unionist standpoint.
My real question is, does Brian himself actually realise how lop sided and partisan he has become?? Is it complacency on his part?
Or, is it intentional??
The final point is, shouldn’t the BBC college of journalism be encouraging their trainee journalists to form their own views based upon a critique of the facts, rather than literally telling them, as in these videos, what to think??
Had he presented both sides of the discussion, then he could claim credibility, but as matters stand, what we have seen is one sided, and from a unionist standpoint.
My real question is, does Brian himself actually realise how lop sided and partisan he has become?? Is it complacency on his part?
Or, is it intentional??
The final point is, shouldn’t the BBC college of journalism be encouraging their trainee journalists to form their own views based upon a critique of the facts, rather than literally telling them, as in these videos, what to think??
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2012-04-15 18:08
RL,
I suspect that this seminar at the BBC College was held so that the ‘stellar talents of these political/financial ‘journalists’ of the BBC could bring all the other journos who work for the BBC the ‘benefit’ of their experience and insight and thus bering them up to speed.
What the videos showed that ‘stellar’ and talent’ could never be applied to them – although Ms Flanders made a better fist of it than the others did.
Their analysis and comments were neither insightful or balanced but given the occasion and purpose of the seminar will do much damage in the coming months.
If the BBC had really wanted to bring their news staff up to speed they should have brought in a raft of experts from both sides of the argument and made a real job of it.
I suspect that this seminar at the BBC College was held so that the ‘stellar talents of these political/financial ‘journalists’ of the BBC could bring all the other journos who work for the BBC the ‘benefit’ of their experience and insight and thus bering them up to speed.
What the videos showed that ‘stellar’ and talent’ could never be applied to them – although Ms Flanders made a better fist of it than the others did.
Their analysis and comments were neither insightful or balanced but given the occasion and purpose of the seminar will do much damage in the coming months.
If the BBC had really wanted to bring their news staff up to speed they should have brought in a raft of experts from both sides of the argument and made a real job of it.
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2012-04-15 09:32
RL – Politically amoral is the descriptor you’re probably looking for – and that’s being kind to BT.
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2012-04-15 09:37
when’s the next big debate, anyone from here going, and will someone ask BT a question about this? Straight to the horses mouth as the population need to be educated over this.
If we lose and I believe we won’t, but if we do and it is the will of the population, then fine, but only if it is after an informed choice. By the looks of it, it is hardly going to be that.
Away out leafleting to blow off steam….
If we lose and I believe we won’t, but if we do and it is the will of the population, then fine, but only if it is after an informed choice. By the looks of it, it is hardly going to be that.
Away out leafleting to blow off steam….
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2012-04-15 09:41
I watched all the clips when Mark posted the link. Thanks Mark.
Could this be Brian’s “Kirsty Wark’s Jack McConnell moment”. Kirsty was not allowed to host the Scottish Election coverage after that. (I think they may be introducing her gently with a view to a comeback with her call Kaye slots.)
What comes across though is the Scottish pair’s hatred for Salmond especially Neil.
Could this be Brian’s “Kirsty Wark’s Jack McConnell moment”. Kirsty was not allowed to host the Scottish Election coverage after that. (I think they may be introducing her gently with a view to a comeback with her call Kaye slots.)
What comes across though is the Scottish pair’s hatred for Salmond especially Neil.
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2012-04-15 17:02
Thanks feller.
I think you’ll find that Kirsty Wark and many establishment figures are warming to the SNP and are possibly even more open to Independence. This is the time worn formula of chummying up to the winners. It’s how they became establishment figures in the first place…
I think you’ll find that Kirsty Wark and many establishment figures are warming to the SNP and are possibly even more open to Independence. This is the time worn formula of chummying up to the winners. It’s how they became establishment figures in the first place…
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2012-04-15 09:43
Are we totally sure there are no such clips showing a critique of the unionist position? Just saying, you’re going to look pretty silly if the BBC produce some.
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2012-04-15 10:06
I have done a search on Youtube to try to find any and have also Tweeted a request for a link to a similar analysis of the unionist position from the beeb. Nothing so far but I will post if anything pops up
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2012-04-15 09:52
Hi All
I said it before and I’ll say again anytime we the free thinking people of Scotland get a chance to question these so called impartial broadcsters we should put them in the spot whether it is on Call Kaye or Brian’s big debate or wherever these people turn up and ask joe public questions especially if it is live. I now speak to those Dundee Utd fans surely there are songs you could make up for our Mr “Brian” !!!
I will try and call or attend these things when I can
Keep up the fight
I said it before and I’ll say again anytime we the free thinking people of Scotland get a chance to question these so called impartial broadcsters we should put them in the spot whether it is on Call Kaye or Brian’s big debate or wherever these people turn up and ask joe public questions especially if it is live. I now speak to those Dundee Utd fans surely there are songs you could make up for our Mr “Brian” !!!
I will try and call or attend these things when I can
Keep up the fight
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2012-04-15 09:54
The videos, although part of an in house presentation and not for public consumption
if thats the case NNS, why have they been posted on You Tube by the BBC College of Journalism ? – probably the most public of forums on which to post a video, also, who was in the audience, internal BBC staff or was it open to members from other media organisations or indeed, freelancers ?
Or indeed, is this senior BBC journalists giving the ‘line’ to other BBC reporters to follow ?
I think some more investigation into these presentations is required.
if thats the case NNS, why have they been posted on You Tube by the BBC College of Journalism ? – probably the most public of forums on which to post a video, also, who was in the audience, internal BBC staff or was it open to members from other media organisations or indeed, freelancers ?
Or indeed, is this senior BBC journalists giving the ‘line’ to other BBC reporters to follow ?
I think some more investigation into these presentations is required.
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2012-04-15 09:57
On the basis of these videos, the SNP should formally announce that it is to stop having any dealings with BBC Scotland. No interviews.
That would draw public attention to what they are doing and could not be covered up by a compliant media.
It should also be pointed out that they are illegally spending licence payers money to plan the undemining of democracy.
That would draw public attention to what they are doing and could not be covered up by a compliant media.
It should also be pointed out that they are illegally spending licence payers money to plan the undemining of democracy.
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2012-04-15 10:08
Darien Scheme – again? Really?!?
Of course 1690’s Scotland is just like us now in 2012.
This was also under the Union of the Crowns and with some dodgy plays by the UK monarch and English establishment.
Mind you, if this is the best they can come up with, should be easy to counter.
As for BBC – what a disgrace, then again can’t say much about UK media that is positive.
Of course 1690’s Scotland is just like us now in 2012.
This was also under the Union of the Crowns and with some dodgy plays by the UK monarch and English establishment.
Mind you, if this is the best they can come up with, should be easy to counter.
As for BBC – what a disgrace, then again can’t say much about UK media that is positive.
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2012-04-15 10:08
Shurely no shurprise.
We always knew the leanings from the head honchos at the Colonial House on the Clyde. The looks on their faces at last May’s election night proved it – the expressions were the same as the Labour toerags sitting beside them.
I do know one of the junior reporters who occasionally pops up on GMS and Reporting Scotland.
This person has always been a (small n) nationalist, but because they are employed in a freelance basis they toe the line – remember what happened to Ian Macwhirter when he dared criticise the Union?
We always knew the leanings from the head honchos at the Colonial House on the Clyde. The looks on their faces at last May’s election night proved it – the expressions were the same as the Labour toerags sitting beside them.
I do know one of the junior reporters who occasionally pops up on GMS and Reporting Scotland.
This person has always been a (small n) nationalist, but because they are employed in a freelance basis they toe the line – remember what happened to Ian Macwhirter when he dared criticise the Union?
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2012-04-15 10:10
well done to the person who leaked these videos to you tube. For a long time we have needed someone within the BBC to grow a pair and expose there unionist stance.This person is a hero.
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2012-04-15 11:14
Colin, you’d better be sitting when I tell you this.
These videos are not leaked. They have been posted by the BBC College of Journalism on their own You Tube account !
The BBC are obviously quite happy to have these out in the public domain, freely available to anyone, as there political stance on the SNP.
These videos are not leaked. They have been posted by the BBC College of Journalism on their own You Tube account !
The BBC are obviously quite happy to have these out in the public domain, freely available to anyone, as there political stance on the SNP.
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2012-04-15 10:12
Notice the language they are using, too. Always referring to it as AS’s referendum, and never the SNP’s.
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2012-04-15 10:13
Yep, it’s slightly embarrassing for the beeb, no doubt. Some nice indoctrination videos showing some weel kent faces displaying their talents and their opinions. Nothing we’re not aware of already and the videos are in the right place for general viewing right now.
I may require tin hat and thick socks now. For all our anger and sense of outrage at the Beeb and MSM we cannot force them to change no matter how many dossiers, videos, marches and letters we bombard them with. They are not suddenly going to wake up one morning and say ‘my God you’re right! What were we thinking? I must now apologise to the Scots electorate and redress all past biased reporting and turn over a new leaf starting now!’ It’s just not going to happen, mainly because they believe themselves to be nigh on untouchable by Joe Public. They exist to control the flow and nature of information.
It’s absolutely right and necessary that we should send the letters, it’s absolutely right that we do have a peaceful protest, it’s also absolutely right that dossiers are compiled and interested bodies notified, it’s just right that we make noise, but it will not change the stance of either broadcasters or publishers in the next two and a half years. The best result of these actions is to bring the notice of the general public to bear on press impartiality within the referendum debate.
IMO the best way to get a balancing view of the news out there is to encourage publicity for sites like NNS, Bella Caledonia and bloggers like Wingslandpodgam er and Auld Aquaintance and the many, many other sites dedicated to promoting Scotland and independence. Don’t make a post off site without sticking a plug for your favourite in the post. Create our own publishing and broadcasting publicity machine. Plug, plug, plug and plug some more. Get the sites known, visited and more importantly funded and supported. The bigger they get the more effective and comprehensive the coverage they can supply. The cybernats have made a great start to their legend by overhauling the nature electoral communication and dissemination of information in the past few years. Maybe this could now cover a change in the way the modern Scots electorate receive their news?
Just a thought.
I may require tin hat and thick socks now. For all our anger and sense of outrage at the Beeb and MSM we cannot force them to change no matter how many dossiers, videos, marches and letters we bombard them with. They are not suddenly going to wake up one morning and say ‘my God you’re right! What were we thinking? I must now apologise to the Scots electorate and redress all past biased reporting and turn over a new leaf starting now!’ It’s just not going to happen, mainly because they believe themselves to be nigh on untouchable by Joe Public. They exist to control the flow and nature of information.
It’s absolutely right and necessary that we should send the letters, it’s absolutely right that we do have a peaceful protest, it’s also absolutely right that dossiers are compiled and interested bodies notified, it’s just right that we make noise, but it will not change the stance of either broadcasters or publishers in the next two and a half years. The best result of these actions is to bring the notice of the general public to bear on press impartiality within the referendum debate.
IMO the best way to get a balancing view of the news out there is to encourage publicity for sites like NNS, Bella Caledonia and bloggers like Wingslandpodgam er and Auld Aquaintance and the many, many other sites dedicated to promoting Scotland and independence. Don’t make a post off site without sticking a plug for your favourite in the post. Create our own publishing and broadcasting publicity machine. Plug, plug, plug and plug some more. Get the sites known, visited and more importantly funded and supported. The bigger they get the more effective and comprehensive the coverage they can supply. The cybernats have made a great start to their legend by overhauling the nature electoral communication and dissemination of information in the past few years. Maybe this could now cover a change in the way the modern Scots electorate receive their news?
Just a thought.
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2012-04-15 10:32
These people are beyond redemption. They are not to be trusted. Nothing short of a complete clearout of the staff in the political reporting section of BBC Scotland, and the man at the top of the organization, would do anything to clear the air of their malign influence.
The SNP have already made their views known to the BBC Trust and nothing has been done. Its time for the SG to cast themselves off from giving BBC Scotland the oxygen they need to run their programmes.
They were not long in capitulating when Rangers revolted against their biased video on McCoist. Although it was claimed that patching together a scurrilously biased video was an inadvertent mistake.
Once the full campaign gets going and the referndum is getting close they will be able to say anything they like and protestations will be totally ignored. Something has to be done before we get into that situation.
The SNP have already made their views known to the BBC Trust and nothing has been done. Its time for the SG to cast themselves off from giving BBC Scotland the oxygen they need to run their programmes.
They were not long in capitulating when Rangers revolted against their biased video on McCoist. Although it was claimed that patching together a scurrilously biased video was an inadvertent mistake.
Once the full campaign gets going and the referndum is getting close they will be able to say anything they like and protestations will be totally ignored. Something has to be done before we get into that situation.
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2012-04-15 10:49
If the BBC cannot produce similar presentational critiques of the unionist parties then this is a SMOKING GUN.
At face value we have senior BBC people laying out the corporation’s editorial stance to other BBC staff its position in dealing with the SNP and Scottish independence.
It also shows that the BBC are more than willing to indulge in misrepresentati ons and myths about the SNP and independence.
Not only is this a breach of the BBC’s charter it gives credence to the growing concerns that the BBC has been deliberately misleading BBC viewers.
Overall you can argue that the BBC have been involved in a conspiracy to undermine the case for Scottish independence whilst doing very little to critique the unionist case.
At face value we have senior BBC people laying out the corporation’s editorial stance to other BBC staff its position in dealing with the SNP and Scottish independence.
It also shows that the BBC are more than willing to indulge in misrepresentati ons and myths about the SNP and independence.
Not only is this a breach of the BBC’s charter it gives credence to the growing concerns that the BBC has been deliberately misleading BBC viewers.
Overall you can argue that the BBC have been involved in a conspiracy to undermine the case for Scottish independence whilst doing very little to critique the unionist case.
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2012-04-16 12:01
Quoting Mac:
Surely some sort of official sanction can be applied to the BBC
with this sort of evidence of bias available ?
A “BBC school for anti-Scottish propaganda” is rather a blatant
betrayal of the BBCs charter.
If the BBC cannot produce similar presentational critiques of the unionist parties then this is a smoking gun.
Surely some sort of official sanction can be applied to the BBC
with this sort of evidence of bias available ?
A “BBC school for anti-Scottish propaganda” is rather a blatant
betrayal of the BBCs charter.
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2012-04-15 10:57
We now know why comments are no longer allowed on Brian Taylor’s political ramblings he wont give the snp the opportunity to puplicly correct him.
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2012-04-15 11:30
We not only have the unionist partys as our enemy but also their servants at the beeb,the snp should now cut off taylor neil and the beeb at the knees.They should be attacked right now for this wee conflab,i think it could cause all these charlatans great damage in the eyes of the people of scotland,we should not miss this chance to expose them and have their devious plans blow up in their face.Does anyone still think a protest at pathetic quay be counter productive after this?.
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2012-04-15 11:33
Macart
It is absolutely imperative that we use the new media to pull our young people into this debate. Apart from a minority of anoraks and politically ambitious among them they are generally presently detached from the political process, though I note a sudden quickening recently. Having not yet succumbed to the cynicism that age invariably brings many of the young (I was there once) are motivated by ideals of justice, honesty and fairness (which they tend to believe are no longer the political driving forces in our culture)
Evidence of the BBC cheating is likely to ring a lot of bells with many of them and give them cause to find a political direction.
It is absolutely imperative that we use the new media to pull our young people into this debate. Apart from a minority of anoraks and politically ambitious among them they are generally presently detached from the political process, though I note a sudden quickening recently. Having not yet succumbed to the cynicism that age invariably brings many of the young (I was there once) are motivated by ideals of justice, honesty and fairness (which they tend to believe are no longer the political driving forces in our culture)
Evidence of the BBC cheating is likely to ring a lot of bells with many of them and give them cause to find a political direction.
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2012-04-15 15:11
Fully agree sneckedagain. The kids out there are far more switched on in general to cyberspace and social media. Its the ideal media to hopefully meet and engage the younger generation in politics. They are the future and they are already well versed in operating and navigating their way round the technology to hand. Print is dying (take it from someone on the inside on that) and news broadcasting is already heavily suspect. Getting the kids in on the show via the new and expanding net experience has to be the way forward. Pretty much most commentators have pointed out that the independence movement and in particular the Cybernats have stolen a march on the other political parties here. Its now about turning people away from main stream, traditional media outlets toward new and hopefully more reliable sources of day to day news and information.
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2012-04-15 11:36
I wonder if Kenneth Roy might pen a few words for us on this. One has the impression that where BBC Scotland is concerned he is “in with the bricks”
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2012-04-15 11:45
These videos are very good as a measure of the personal views of the Senior BBC journalists and an indicator of the tactics they will be using.
Brian Taylor does make some good points. For example I think having the Referendum close to the GE will make it easier for the pro independence YES campaign to divide and conquer the unionist campaign.
Usefully Brian states his own opinion. Very good for the blogs. His opinion is that Salmond wants a parachute, his opinion that there will be one question referendum. We now know his clear views.
Regarding who has the YES campaign. It is the SNP who has the mandate to have the referendum for independence. This is what the people of Scotland voted for. The Anglo parties cannot dictate the terms after the fact. They are the No campaign and the Scottish government has all the cards. Moves to change this will be viewed as London interference.
Like other posters have said this is a critique of the yes campaign. It is done from an anglocentric perspective. Scots are ‘they’. The impact to the rest of the UK is never questioned or in any way. However they also make the mistake of putting the SNP against the rest. The YES campaign will be larger than the SNP and Alex Salmond. We need to ensure that this is always highlighted.
Mr Neil makes a huge factual error about the Darien impact. It is simply not true that ‘Scotland’ lost this wealth. The individuals who invested did. It is also not true that Scotland joined the union on this basis.
Flanders uses the figures to compare apples with oranges.
She compares Scotland as a Region to London as a region but never compares Scotland as a State to UK or RUK as a state. London as a region benefits from various expenditure and tax incomes that it would no longer have with Scottish independence. Scotlands position is understated while Londons is overstated (if the stats should be examined Nationally instead of regionally). This is a classic slight of hand that the unionists never fail to push. We need to argue against this method.
She states some figures as having oil revenues included, whereas they do not.
The expenditure is based on identifiable expenditure, whereas much expenditure is classed as unidentifiable. This figure is taken into the Scottish figures on an equal share basis but the reality is that the SE gets the vast majority of this spending, again skewing the figures.
Overall the videos are a great insight into the unionist mindset and their half baked arguments. We have to be ready with a concise and accurate rebuttal of the false foundations they are built on. Secondly we have to ask why there is no critique of RUK credit rating, debt servicing etc etc.
Brian Taylor does make some good points. For example I think having the Referendum close to the GE will make it easier for the pro independence YES campaign to divide and conquer the unionist campaign.
Usefully Brian states his own opinion. Very good for the blogs. His opinion is that Salmond wants a parachute, his opinion that there will be one question referendum. We now know his clear views.
Regarding who has the YES campaign. It is the SNP who has the mandate to have the referendum for independence. This is what the people of Scotland voted for. The Anglo parties cannot dictate the terms after the fact. They are the No campaign and the Scottish government has all the cards. Moves to change this will be viewed as London interference.
Like other posters have said this is a critique of the yes campaign. It is done from an anglocentric perspective. Scots are ‘they’. The impact to the rest of the UK is never questioned or in any way. However they also make the mistake of putting the SNP against the rest. The YES campaign will be larger than the SNP and Alex Salmond. We need to ensure that this is always highlighted.
Mr Neil makes a huge factual error about the Darien impact. It is simply not true that ‘Scotland’ lost this wealth. The individuals who invested did. It is also not true that Scotland joined the union on this basis.
Flanders uses the figures to compare apples with oranges.
She compares Scotland as a Region to London as a region but never compares Scotland as a State to UK or RUK as a state. London as a region benefits from various expenditure and tax incomes that it would no longer have with Scottish independence. Scotlands position is understated while Londons is overstated (if the stats should be examined Nationally instead of regionally). This is a classic slight of hand that the unionists never fail to push. We need to argue against this method.
She states some figures as having oil revenues included, whereas they do not.
The expenditure is based on identifiable expenditure, whereas much expenditure is classed as unidentifiable. This figure is taken into the Scottish figures on an equal share basis but the reality is that the SE gets the vast majority of this spending, again skewing the figures.
Overall the videos are a great insight into the unionist mindset and their half baked arguments. We have to be ready with a concise and accurate rebuttal of the false foundations they are built on. Secondly we have to ask why there is no critique of RUK credit rating, debt servicing etc etc.
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2012-04-15 12:38
I find Andrew Neil’s comments about the British establishment’s reaction to an independent Scotland interesting.
Neil is making the point that other unionists have highlighted that rUK would impose a range of economic, political and military sanctions against Scotland, with even the creation of social and cultural barriers.
Now compare and contrast that rehetoric with David Cameron’s arguement about lifting sanctions against the Burmese military dicatorshop for introducing limited democratic reforms.
It would seem uniquely that Scotland in expressing the right of self-determination are to be treated like North Korea.
Amazing stuff by Andrew Neil.
Neil is making the point that other unionists have highlighted that rUK would impose a range of economic, political and military sanctions against Scotland, with even the creation of social and cultural barriers.
Now compare and contrast that rehetoric with David Cameron’s arguement about lifting sanctions against the Burmese military dicatorshop for introducing limited democratic reforms.
It would seem uniquely that Scotland in expressing the right of self-determination are to be treated like North Korea.
Amazing stuff by Andrew Neil.
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2012-04-15 18:14
I noticed thesae comments by Andrew Neil and thought his anti-SNP prejudice had got the better of him.
If the rUK or should we call it the successor UK (sUK) to act as he suggested after a yes vote for independence they would be the laughing stock of world opinion and would end up with possible censure from the UN and other international bodies.
I thought Ms Flanders’ opinion of how sUK would behave after a yes vorte was more measurfed and closer to the truth of the matter.
If the rUK or should we call it the successor UK (sUK) to act as he suggested after a yes vote for independence they would be the laughing stock of world opinion and would end up with possible censure from the UN and other international bodies.
I thought Ms Flanders’ opinion of how sUK would behave after a yes vorte was more measurfed and closer to the truth of the matter.
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2012-04-15 11:51
O/T there is going to be an Independence march and rally on 22nd September this year and they are looking for £10 donations from people. Here is the link
www.independenceforscotland.com/…/
Nothing to do with me just helping spread the word.
www.independenceforscotland.com/…/
Nothing to do with me just helping spread the word.
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2012-04-15 12:02
o/t has there been any indy polls at all recently? Earlier this year there seemed to be about 2 a week with the YES gaining and gaining until it reached about 47%. Is it possible that there are lots of polls at the moment at around 50% or more that are not being released? Or is it not polling season or something?
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2012-04-15 12:04
Always happy to donate/ invest my money in such good causes, will get it back 100 fold with independence anyway. Thanks for the link pinkrose.
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2012-04-15 12:20
I think the time has come for the SNP to refuse to talk to the BBC, highlighting this video as an example of politial bias
worthy of the worst kind of dictatorship. This would bring to the attention of the worlds media the poison and manipulation of the British state towards a democratically elected Scottish government.
I fear anything less will not suffice
worthy of the worst kind of dictatorship. This would bring to the attention of the worlds media the poison and manipulation of the British state towards a democratically elected Scottish government.
I fear anything less will not suffice
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2012-04-15 12:47
It’s one thing for journalists to have and express one-sided views to the general public.
It is quite another to represent these one-sided views as authoritative before young journalists.
It is still more serious that these journalists were hired, hosted, authorised and paid to do this by the BBC, which is in turn paid for by all Scots.
Do not forget that this 4-pronged exercise is a one-sided briefing on the current Scottish government (not just the current referendum). This is clearly in breach of their charter.
But the most troubling aspect of all is the apparent posting, themselves, of the event on Youtube. They are breaking their charter and posting the evidence on the Internet.
Scots either take this seriously or they have lost a major battle. This is not paranoia.
It is quite another to represent these one-sided views as authoritative before young journalists.
It is still more serious that these journalists were hired, hosted, authorised and paid to do this by the BBC, which is in turn paid for by all Scots.
Do not forget that this 4-pronged exercise is a one-sided briefing on the current Scottish government (not just the current referendum). This is clearly in breach of their charter.
But the most troubling aspect of all is the apparent posting, themselves, of the event on Youtube. They are breaking their charter and posting the evidence on the Internet.
Scots either take this seriously or they have lost a major battle. This is not paranoia.
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2012-04-15 12:50
The BBC Scotland is a Unionist TV/radio State Broadcaster.Clue in the name.
BBC’s Lord Patten was in Scotland approximately 10 weeks ago when the First Minister spoke to him re BBC Scotland.
Patten has since done nothing,and when eventually the dirt hits the fan,as it most certainly will, he cannae say “I didna ken.” He knows darn well.
We all saw him on the Telly–“Reporting Scotland”.
“I didna ken”. He’ll try saying that in the House of Lords.where of course he’ll be believed,but not in the real world of public opinion outside—-England and Scotland.
It ends with Patten,Patten and Patten.
No executive at the BBC is willing to be the fall guy for him.
Your Lordship, prepare your press statements now,and your letter of resignation,und ated.
You WERE told,—-followed by silence.
BBC’s Lord Patten was in Scotland approximately 10 weeks ago when the First Minister spoke to him re BBC Scotland.
Patten has since done nothing,and when eventually the dirt hits the fan,as it most certainly will, he cannae say “I didna ken.” He knows darn well.
We all saw him on the Telly–“Reporting Scotland”.
“I didna ken”. He’ll try saying that in the House of Lords.where of course he’ll be believed,but not in the real world of public opinion outside—-England and Scotland.
It ends with Patten,Patten and Patten.
No executive at the BBC is willing to be the fall guy for him.
Your Lordship, prepare your press statements now,and your letter of resignation,und ated.
You WERE told,—-followed by silence.
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2012-04-15 12:51
From the tone and content of their unremitting attacks on Alex Salmond and the SNP Government, I actually don’t think Taylor and Neil convince many as yet uncommitted voters in the forthcoming independence referendum.
On the contrary, my opinion is that they will have the opposite effect, as most people are intelligent enough to resent being harangued by such obviously biased, sneering, childish behaviour, as displayed by these two, as well as others such as Wark, Campbell, etc. They certainly haven’t convinced me to change my opinions, or my intention to vote for independence in 2014.
On the contrary, my opinion is that they will have the opposite effect, as most people are intelligent enough to resent being harangued by such obviously biased, sneering, childish behaviour, as displayed by these two, as well as others such as Wark, Campbell, etc. They certainly haven’t convinced me to change my opinions, or my intention to vote for independence in 2014.
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2012-04-15 12:57
On his “politics show” today Andrew Neil stated (admitted ?) that he couldn’t give a Scottish viewpoint as he had spent the past umpteen years in London.
I think we all knew that already.
I think we all knew that already.
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2012-04-15 13:18
Once again the new types of media are lifting the rock on this type of behavior. It’s better to know about this type of activity than merely suspect it. The BBC is no longer trusted by many in Scotland.
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2012-04-15 13:45
Techie Alert!
For those wanting to download and save this and any other Youtube (or some other source’s videos) you could try the free software from Greentree Apps. It can be downloaded from cnet.com which in my experience is clean.
I’ve been collecting much of the pro- and anti- indy video and with a relatively slow “broadband” connection it’s always better to view video without all of the stop/start nonsense.
Look for “YouTube Downloader” and make sure it is at CNET as they guarantee the software is free from malware and the like.
download.cnet.com/…/…
For those wanting to download and save this and any other Youtube (or some other source’s videos) you could try the free software from Greentree Apps. It can be downloaded from cnet.com which in my experience is clean.
I’ve been collecting much of the pro- and anti- indy video and with a relatively slow “broadband” connection it’s always better to view video without all of the stop/start nonsense.
Look for “YouTube Downloader” and make sure it is at CNET as they guarantee the software is free from malware and the like.
download.cnet.com/…/…
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2012-04-16 07:13
Thanks Phil. I think it’s important to do this, I reckon the BBC will take down these videos soon.
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2012-04-15 13:48
Have to say Brian Taylor has gone down in my estimation after seeing this. What was the agenda behind these lectures I wonder?
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2012-04-15 13:54
“art imitates life… Or something.
I just watched the old Monty Python “science fiction” skit where people in the UK are turned into Scotsmen.
“Why would cause anyone to be turned into a Scotsman,” asks the scientist. Answer, ” because they had no control over their own destiny”.
Sort of scary, huh ?
I just watched the old Monty Python “science fiction” skit where people in the UK are turned into Scotsmen.
“Why would cause anyone to be turned into a Scotsman,” asks the scientist. Answer, ” because they had no control over their own destiny”.
Sort of scary, huh ?
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2012-04-15 18:49
That Python script also contains the line “Och, but Angus, ye ken full well that Scots folk dinna know how to play the tennis to save their lives.”
Hence Andy Murray – British tennis player.
Hence Andy Murray – British tennis player.
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2012-04-15 14:02
This is pretty shocking but it doesn’t surprise me.BBC Scotland has always struggled to hide its unionist bias.I recall in the 1970’s that Helen Liddel on Newsnight Scotland ended her report on an SNP statement by saying: “Well they would say that wouldn’t they?’ At that time I didn’t know that she was a member of the labour party and I was stunned by the lack of impartiality on a public broadcaring service that is recieved by people across the entire political spectrum.It was obvious that Helen Liddel felt confident to express bias in the form of an uneamined statement without fear of any punative action being taken towards her.I think there are many in the present day BBC Scotland,who think like her.I would exempt Isobel Fraser from my criticism and there may be others who are balanced.I do find the ‘in your face’ interview style,where the interviewee is constantly interrupted to be irritaing,but that is acceptable if everyone gets the same treatment
I notice that Peyer Curran on his Moridura blog site is very supportive of the BBC and feels that a lot of conributors on Newsnet Scotland are overeacting.I have a great deal of respect for Peter,who is usually spot on in his analysis.However,while I agree with him that there are good journalists who are fair and balanced,and that some contributors may be too sensitive,I disagree with Peter on this one.It is not so much that people have their own political loyalty that is disturbing,it is the lack of professionalism and inability to conceal it,that is the concern.
I notice that Peyer Curran on his Moridura blog site is very supportive of the BBC and feels that a lot of conributors on Newsnet Scotland are overeacting.I have a great deal of respect for Peter,who is usually spot on in his analysis.However,while I agree with him that there are good journalists who are fair and balanced,and that some contributors may be too sensitive,I disagree with Peter on this one.It is not so much that people have their own political loyalty that is disturbing,it is the lack of professionalism and inability to conceal it,that is the concern.
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2012-04-15 14:03
Perhaps it would be a good idea for Fiona Hyslop (or any of the SNP) to knock on Brian’s door in the Parliament Building, and invite him, and all the other “media analysts” along to a Q&A; session about how Scotland could best promote a YES Vote.
They could show a short film of a positive angle, and then show Brian et al as the most Negative of all possible comments……for balance of course!!
Not all Journalists work for the BBC, and regardless of how they perceive Scotland’s future, I think it would show just how profound the disregard for Independence is at the Beeb.
They could show a short film of a positive angle, and then show Brian et al as the most Negative of all possible comments……for balance of course!!
Not all Journalists work for the BBC, and regardless of how they perceive Scotland’s future, I think it would show just how profound the disregard for Independence is at the Beeb.
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2012-04-15 14:10
For anyone interested on Scotlands GDP versus UK
scotland.gov.uk/…/…
Remember these are values for 2009-2010
When we look at the figures for 2010-2011 Scotlands GDP rose from 132,244m to 144,820m a rise of 9.51%. Comparably the UK GDP rose from 1,406,771m to 1,477,883m a rise of 5.05% respectively.
scotland.gov.uk/…/…
Scotland population mid 2010 5.2221m
UK population mid 2010 62.026m
This would put Scotlands 2011 GDP per capita as $43,132 using the the GBR:USD conversion of 1.5553. Comparatively the UK would be $37,058.
So the Table that SNP used to state Scotland would be the 6th richest country in the OECD is out of date. The newer figures show the gap has risen even further. Unfortunatly the 2011 figures have not been published to see if this has changed the national standings.
Remember the UK position is that with Scotland in it. By losing an 8.4% part that contributes over $6000 per person from the UK. Her GDP will decrease to approximately $36,499.
In conclusion
Scotland 2011 GDP pc at (PPP) $43,132
rUK 2011 GDP pc (PPP) $36,499
Difference $6,633
References on Population and exchange rates
scotland.gov.uk/…/27095112
en.wikipedia.org/…/…
oanda.com/…/historical-rates
scotland.gov.uk/…/…
Remember these are values for 2009-2010
When we look at the figures for 2010-2011 Scotlands GDP rose from 132,244m to 144,820m a rise of 9.51%. Comparably the UK GDP rose from 1,406,771m to 1,477,883m a rise of 5.05% respectively.
scotland.gov.uk/…/…
Scotland population mid 2010 5.2221m
UK population mid 2010 62.026m
This would put Scotlands 2011 GDP per capita as $43,132 using the the GBR:USD conversion of 1.5553. Comparatively the UK would be $37,058.
So the Table that SNP used to state Scotland would be the 6th richest country in the OECD is out of date. The newer figures show the gap has risen even further. Unfortunatly the 2011 figures have not been published to see if this has changed the national standings.
Remember the UK position is that with Scotland in it. By losing an 8.4% part that contributes over $6000 per person from the UK. Her GDP will decrease to approximately $36,499.
In conclusion
Scotland 2011 GDP pc at (PPP) $43,132
rUK 2011 GDP pc (PPP) $36,499
Difference $6,633
References on Population and exchange rates
scotland.gov.uk/…/27095112
en.wikipedia.org/…/…
oanda.com/…/historical-rates
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2012-04-15 14:20
A look at the UK in comparison to other nations on the human development inde.
hdr.undp.org/…/…
Go to page 134/185 for the tables.
UK ranks only 28th (ireland and iceland 7th and 14th respectively) nations that the press love to mock.
hdr.undp.org/…/…
Go to page 134/185 for the tables.
UK ranks only 28th (ireland and iceland 7th and 14th respectively) nations that the press love to mock.
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2012-04-15 14:51
Or:-
UK debt official government figures as £2.5 trillion (173% of GDP). In fact the national debt more accurately estimated by including pension liabilities, and a reasonable estimate of the likely liabilities to be incurred by the government in respect of the banking sector is actually £5.5 trillion (392% of GDP) (1 trillion = 1000 billion), over six times the size of the declared national debt. iea.org.uk/…/….
In the calender year 2011 the UK recorded government net borrowing or a deficit of £124.6 billion (8.3% of GDP). ons.gov.uk/…/….[/
In the calendar year 2010 the UK recorded general government net borrowing or a deficit of £148.9 billion, which was equivalent to 10.2 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).
In the calendar year 2009 the UK recorded general government net borrowing or a deficit of £157 billion, which was equivalent to 11.3 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).
During 2010-2011 Scotland’s deficit including a per capita share of North Sea revenue has a deficit of £10.7 billion (7.4 per cent of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included. www.scotland.gov.uk/…/9525
During 2009-2010 Scotland’s deficit including a per capita share of North Sea revenue has a deficit of £14.0 billion (10.6 per cent of GDP) when an illustrative geographical share of North Sea revenue is included. www.scotland.gov.uk/…/9
The simple truth is they have created the huge crippling debts while running at a huge deficit. Scotland has had a minimal deficit during this period. In the last 3 calender years alone the UK has added £430.5 billion to the national debt almost half a trillion just through deficit. Scotland has added just over an estimated £30 billion. That means if Scotland had been independent for the last 3 years we would be £400 billion better off. They are bleeding us dry.
UK debt official government figures as £2.5 trillion (173% of GDP). In fact the national debt more accurately estimated by including pension liabilities, and a reasonable estimate of the likely liabilities to be incurred by the government in respect of the banking sector is actually £5.5 trillion (392% of GDP) (1 trillion = 1000 billion), over six times the size of the declared national debt. iea.org.uk/…/….
In the calender year 2011 the UK recorded government net borrowing or a deficit of £124.6 billion (8.3% of GDP). ons.gov.uk/…/….[/
In the calendar year 2010 the UK recorded general government net borrowing or a deficit of £148.9 billion, which was equivalent to 10.2 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).
In the calendar year 2009 the UK recorded general government net borrowing or a deficit of £157 billion, which was equivalent to 11.3 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).
During 2010-2011 Scotland’s deficit including a per capita share of North Sea revenue has a deficit of £10.7 billion (7.4 per cent of GDP) when a geographical share of North Sea revenue is included. www.scotland.gov.uk/…/9525
During 2009-2010 Scotland’s deficit including a per capita share of North Sea revenue has a deficit of £14.0 billion (10.6 per cent of GDP) when an illustrative geographical share of North Sea revenue is included. www.scotland.gov.uk/…/9
The simple truth is they have created the huge crippling debts while running at a huge deficit. Scotland has had a minimal deficit during this period. In the last 3 calender years alone the UK has added £430.5 billion to the national debt almost half a trillion just through deficit. Scotland has added just over an estimated £30 billion. That means if Scotland had been independent for the last 3 years we would be £400 billion better off. They are bleeding us dry.
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2012-04-15 14:27
Suomi.”I recall in the 1970’s that Helen Liddel on Newsnight Scotland ended her report on an SNP statement by saying: “Well they would say that wouldn’t they?’ At that time I didn’t know that she was a member of the labour party”.
Would that be The Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke?
Member of the House of Lords.
Afore that she wis High Commissioner to Australia.
Aye,she’s done well for herself. Labour.
Would that be The Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke?
Member of the House of Lords.
Afore that she wis High Commissioner to Australia.
Aye,she’s done well for herself. Labour.
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2012-04-16 12:43
Quoting Dundonian West:
Dundonian you’ve omitted her other title, the one by which she was best known in Scotland – Stalin’s Granny!
Suomi.”I recall in the 1970’s that Helen Liddel on Newsnight Scotland ended her report on an SNP statement by saying: “Well they would say that wouldn’t they?’ At that time I didn’t know that she was a member of the labour party”.
Would that be The Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke?
Member of the House of Lords.
Afore that she wis High Commissioner to Australia.
Aye,she’s done well for herself. Labour.
Dundonian you’ve omitted her other title, the one by which she was best known in Scotland – Stalin’s Granny!
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2012-04-15 14:45
Lesley Riddoch made a comment on the Skintland article I agree with, in that there are places and things in Scotland that I may not favour as much as others but it is still my country and as such I do not like it being attacked or belittled in such a way.
Unionists though seem to see it as acceptable to view Scotland as such if halts the march to independence, well I got news for you, it wont and indeed makes the desire for independence even greater. If it takes two years or twenty those in favour will never give up the case for a free and fairer independent Scotland.
Unionists though seem to see it as acceptable to view Scotland as such if halts the march to independence, well I got news for you, it wont and indeed makes the desire for independence even greater. If it takes two years or twenty those in favour will never give up the case for a free and fairer independent Scotland.
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2012-04-15 14:48
O/T
The Inverness Courier has it seems a new poll (or an ongoing one??):
“If a referendum was held today, would you support independence for Scotland?”
Yes 69,6%
No 29,4%
It’s still accepting votes ..!
www.inverness-courier.co.uk/…/
The Inverness Courier has it seems a new poll (or an ongoing one??):
“If a referendum was held today, would you support independence for Scotland?”
Yes 69,6%
No 29,4%
It’s still accepting votes ..!
www.inverness-courier.co.uk/…/
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2012-04-15 19:26
It’s been there for some time, it initially did not have a closing date but now: Closing Date: 26/07/2012 .. Although it is nice to see the results so far looking good. It’s another technically simple poll which could be easily wrecked in the same way as was the infamous Scotsman newspaper poll.
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2012-04-15 14:49
Having looked at the video’s once more,I can see that viewers might consider Brian Taylor to be doing his job well.It is not so much the questions that concern me,(they should be asked) it is the tendency to only examine the situation from one position.I got the distinct impression that Brian Taylor had made up his mind and did not want to consider any other conclusion.He used that approach when he interviewed Nicola Sturgeon at the SNP spring conference this year.I got the distinct impression that he had decided that he knew what the answers were before Nicola had replied.I contrast that style with Isobel Fraser (who is tough on everyone) but appears to be trying to understand issues from every possible angle.In the case of Mr Neil,his presentation was overt anti SNP rhetoric.He was definitely expressing his own opinions in a speech that consisted of conclusions that merited more detailed examination of the issues.When we put it all together,there are signs that it is unlikely that the referndum debate will be played on a level playing field
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2012-04-15 15:11
Agreed Soumi,
I think that if anything we can safely assume that the only thing that will change is that there will be an escalation of the brittish press bias in reporting, unreporting etc.
It is not in their interests to do anything different yet.
I have to praise sited like NNS, bloggers and the many that contribute to our side of the debate. These are the only places that any of us get any real level of positive news and views. The internet has been a game changer and has provided us all with a welcome home for news, views and descussion.
Thankyou to all who contribute. It keeps our sanity up against all the nonsence that we are subjected too elsewhere.
I think that if anything we can safely assume that the only thing that will change is that there will be an escalation of the brittish press bias in reporting, unreporting etc.
It is not in their interests to do anything different yet.
I have to praise sited like NNS, bloggers and the many that contribute to our side of the debate. These are the only places that any of us get any real level of positive news and views. The internet has been a game changer and has provided us all with a welcome home for news, views and descussion.
Thankyou to all who contribute. It keeps our sanity up against all the nonsence that we are subjected too elsewhere.
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2012-04-15 15:18
That’s very much the impression I got Suomi. Oor Andra definately appeared to be stating personal opinion and Brian? Well he’s Brian and always sounds like he’s asking questions with no interest in the answers.
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2012-04-15 17:08
Macart, I really liked the point you made earlier about unashamedly plugging sites like newsnet at every opportunity.
If the current behemoths cannot provide facts, then let us create the media that will.
The fact that the BBC political editors refuse to allow comments on their articles (except on special occasions) speaks volumes about their intentions. They will not allow debate via the BBC, despite the BBC regularly bragging about its role in democracy.
We have 2 years to make Newsnet and similar the strongest media voices in Scotland.
If the current behemoths cannot provide facts, then let us create the media that will.
The fact that the BBC political editors refuse to allow comments on their articles (except on special occasions) speaks volumes about their intentions. They will not allow debate via the BBC, despite the BBC regularly bragging about its role in democracy.
We have 2 years to make Newsnet and similar the strongest media voices in Scotland.
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2012-04-15 18:49
Precisely RL. Let’s literally create the media we want. Now by that, I don’t mean media which slavishly agrees with our viewpoint, but one which follows the original remit of ethical journalism. Facts and opposing viewpoints given equal weight and coverage. There is always a place for journalistic opinion and comentary, but it seems to me that the opinions have taken the place of actual news these days and in turn has done no favours to my industry in general. Who really trusts news sources of any type these days? Its as bad as Westinster, hit by scandal after scandal and open to corruption and political bias.
I’m for overhauling the lot and making it fit for the 21st century. But first things first. We need successful outlets to get the independence message across, so lets get busy and give sites like NNS all the coverage and publicity they require.
I’m for overhauling the lot and making it fit for the 21st century. But first things first. We need successful outlets to get the independence message across, so lets get busy and give sites like NNS all the coverage and publicity they require.
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2012-04-15 15:37
BBC’s lack of impartiality? Look no further than this piece by Douglas Fraser.
bbc.co.uk/…/…
I’d like to challenge him to allow comments on this column.
bbc.co.uk/…/…
I’d like to challenge him to allow comments on this column.
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2012-04-15 20:25
Address his points one at a time on twitter: twitter.com/…/… be sure to use the #indyref hashtag so we can all follow along
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2012-04-15 15:57
The BBC will not allow comments on their Scottish news sites as most comments challenge D. Fraser or Brian Taylor’s interpretation of the facts. This allows the BBC to peddle their propaganda without any input from the Scottish public. Sleazy, eh ?
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2012-04-15 16:08
What I want to know is this: what exactly is the contract between a Scottish viewer and the BBC. If the BBC fail to follow their own charter, are they in breach of contract ? is their any legal eagles at NNS who can look into this ?
Now if we could show that the BBC lack balance and fairness..and if this is a breach of contract…then noone in Scotland need pay their licence fee ?
The SNP are the government of Scotland and Scotland has it’s own independent legal system, if we introduce laws that make it very difficult for the BBC to intimidate Scots into paying the licence fee…The harassment at the door act 2012′ then surely the BBC would begin to get the picture ?
Don’t get mad, get even !!!
Now if we could show that the BBC lack balance and fairness..and if this is a breach of contract…then noone in Scotland need pay their licence fee ?
The SNP are the government of Scotland and Scotland has it’s own independent legal system, if we introduce laws that make it very difficult for the BBC to intimidate Scots into paying the licence fee…The harassment at the door act 2012′ then surely the BBC would begin to get the picture ?
Don’t get mad, get even !!!
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2012-04-15 16:22
OT
Just picked the following up off Twitter:
google.com/…/…
“ Former First Minister Henry McLeish has criticised The Economist for depicting an independent Scotland as ‘Skintland’ “
I also note that Trump is in the news again:
dailyrecord.co.uk/…/…
“ Green power protester Donald Trump has been sent a cheeky invitation to invest in a wind farm.
Scottish Renewables, who represent the green power industry, made the suggestion in a letter to the New York tycoon.
Chief executive Niall Stuart offered to meet Trump to discuss the plan.
He urged him to “consider the opportunity of investing in and being part of the success of Scotland’s renewable energy sector”. “
Just picked the following up off Twitter:
google.com/…/…
“ Former First Minister Henry McLeish has criticised The Economist for depicting an independent Scotland as ‘Skintland’ “
I also note that Trump is in the news again:
dailyrecord.co.uk/…/…
“ Green power protester Donald Trump has been sent a cheeky invitation to invest in a wind farm.
Scottish Renewables, who represent the green power industry, made the suggestion in a letter to the New York tycoon.
Chief executive Niall Stuart offered to meet Trump to discuss the plan.
He urged him to “consider the opportunity of investing in and being part of the success of Scotland’s renewable energy sector”. “
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2012-04-15 16:30
I was wondering the same thing. If you cancelled your liscence subscription and the liscencing authorities actually took you to court, surely now there is enough evidence to prove breach of charter and ergo the contract between the viewer and authority has been broken.
Anyway, it is now our duty to let as many people know about this as possible
Anyway, it is now our duty to let as many people know about this as possible
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2012-04-15 16:31
OT.LABOUR Crying/Spinning.
In London this time.
OUT of Scotland,and OUT of Westminster.
telegraph.co.uk/…/…
In London this time.
OUT of Scotland,and OUT of Westminster.
telegraph.co.uk/…/…
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2012-04-15 16:38
Hi all,
tried to send this broadcast of Fergus Ewing on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) last week but it failed, so here goes again :-
www.cbc.ca/eyeopener
click on Audio
at Listen on Demand, click Calgary Eyeopener
again at Listen on Demand, click Full Episodes
click next (ie 2)
it’s the 5th feature down.
Fergus was on top form and our profile gets more exposure.
Enjoy.
ScotsCanuck
tried to send this broadcast of Fergus Ewing on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) last week but it failed, so here goes again :-
www.cbc.ca/eyeopener
click on Audio
at Listen on Demand, click Calgary Eyeopener
again at Listen on Demand, click Full Episodes
click next (ie 2)
it’s the 5th feature down.
Fergus was on top form and our profile gets more exposure.
Enjoy.
ScotsCanuck
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2012-04-15 17:02
But, but, but…
Did he ask David Mundell’s permission before he went 🙂
Seriously, though, its an excellent link and the sort of thing that we should be focusing on and not the irritating and distracting chaff from the Economist.
Onwards and upwards!
Did he ask David Mundell’s permission before he went 🙂
Seriously, though, its an excellent link and the sort of thing that we should be focusing on and not the irritating and distracting chaff from the Economist.
Onwards and upwards!
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2012-04-15 17:42
Louperdowg
“ Seriously, though, its an excellent link and the sort of thing that we should be focusing on and not the irritating and distracting chaff from the Economist. “
I totally agree. Due to the storm of negative chaff coming from the unionists and their 5th columnist’s good news in Scotland often goes under the radar. One particular piece was:
scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/…/…
“ A new eye test which takes just seconds could save the lives of millions of Britons by diagnosing deadly heart disease early.
The test, being developed in Scotland, takes high-definition digital images of patients’ retinas to check for telltale signs of heart disease such as changes to blood vessel width or unusually branched blood vessels.
The 30-second check is expected to become a vital NHS tool in the battle against heart disease, which kills 80,000 Britons a year. “
Just one of the latest developments in Scotlands ‘life science’ growing sector.
As you say – Onwards and upwards.
“ Seriously, though, its an excellent link and the sort of thing that we should be focusing on and not the irritating and distracting chaff from the Economist. “
I totally agree. Due to the storm of negative chaff coming from the unionists and their 5th columnist’s good news in Scotland often goes under the radar. One particular piece was:
scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/…/…
“ A new eye test which takes just seconds could save the lives of millions of Britons by diagnosing deadly heart disease early.
The test, being developed in Scotland, takes high-definition digital images of patients’ retinas to check for telltale signs of heart disease such as changes to blood vessel width or unusually branched blood vessels.
The 30-second check is expected to become a vital NHS tool in the battle against heart disease, which kills 80,000 Britons a year. “
Just one of the latest developments in Scotlands ‘life science’ growing sector.
As you say – Onwards and upwards.
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2012-04-15 17:51
You’d need to be pretty glaikit or thrawn, or a BBC journalist, not to see the improvements in Scotland since the SNP came to power.
Of course, you might want to hanker after the good old days when Labour held the reins but I think that would really be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have to remember that more and more people have never known Labour in power in Scotland and we still have two more years before the Referendum.
Vote YES!
Of course, you might want to hanker after the good old days when Labour held the reins but I think that would really be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have to remember that more and more people have never known Labour in power in Scotland and we still have two more years before the Referendum.
Vote YES!
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2012-04-15 17:05
Yes D-W,
that’s a better link than mine.
Your obviously more tech savvy than me, although that would not be difficult as I’m a techno-phobe !!!
Cheers
ScotsCanuck
that’s a better link than mine.
Your obviously more tech savvy than me, although that would not be difficult as I’m a techno-phobe !!!
Cheers
ScotsCanuck
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2012-04-15 17:17
What is interesing is that these videos have appeared on youtube. Someone put them there. Are the underlings at the BBC getting restless at the blatant bias of the broacaster?
Is there more to come?
Is there more to come?
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2012-04-15 17:36
Not leaked as originally described .. scroll up the comments a bit: newsnetscotland.com/…/…
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2012-04-15 17:38
Green power protester Donald Trump has been sent a cheeky invitation to invest in a wind farm. Scottish Renewables, who represent the green power industry, made the suggestion in a letter to the New York tycoon.
Instead of flags at each hole, maybe wee windmills to generate power for the clubhouse ?
Instead of flags at each hole, maybe wee windmills to generate power for the clubhouse ?
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2012-04-15 18:26
Rhymer
“ Who put it on utube ?
Was it authorised by the BBC or… ? “
It was uploaded to UTube by the ‘BBC College of Journalists’ who have 220 vids on UTube under their brand ‘bbccojovideo’.
youtube.com/…/videos?view=0
The one thing I do note is that the theme of these 4 vids is ‘Big Stories: Scotland’s Independence Referendum’
Apparently the multi trillion pound debt, the massive elephant in the room, of the YooKey is not considered ‘big news’ by the British Brainwashing Corporation.
“ Who put it on utube ?
Was it authorised by the BBC or… ? “
It was uploaded to UTube by the ‘BBC College of Journalists’ who have 220 vids on UTube under their brand ‘bbccojovideo’.
youtube.com/…/videos?view=0
The one thing I do note is that the theme of these 4 vids is ‘Big Stories: Scotland’s Independence Referendum’
Apparently the multi trillion pound debt, the massive elephant in the room, of the YooKey is not considered ‘big news’ by the British Brainwashing Corporation.
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2012-04-15 17:57
I have not read all of the comments so apologies if I am repeating comments already made.
So far I have watched three of the four videos and thought that Stephanie Flanders gave the most measured presentation. Not watched BT yet.
While her handling of the stats may have lacked some depth she did bring out that Scotland was third after London and the SE in terms of economic good health and did say that despite the fact that Scotland might have a deficit after independence it was not by any means a deal breaker and Scotland would manage.
She was also way more measured than Andrew Neil about what would happen post-referendum during the transition to Independence and the negotiations that would take place then. She at least recognised, as Andrew Neil did not, that in the event of a yes vote the rUK would have to negotiate the parting of the ways in good faith. According to Neil the rUK would get belligerent and obdurate after a yes vote. He does not seem to realise that that sort of behaviour would make the rUK a laughing stock in the wider world and bring some very unwelcome criticism of that stance.
Neil was clearly filtering his comments through his own bile and prejudice and in no way could they be said top be impartial or informed.
Nick Robinson was a bit nudge nudge wink wink in some of his comments as if what he was positing wiould happen came straight from the village horse in Westminster.
Still to reduce my blood pressure to more reasonable levels before watching BT.
So far I have watched three of the four videos and thought that Stephanie Flanders gave the most measured presentation. Not watched BT yet.
While her handling of the stats may have lacked some depth she did bring out that Scotland was third after London and the SE in terms of economic good health and did say that despite the fact that Scotland might have a deficit after independence it was not by any means a deal breaker and Scotland would manage.
She was also way more measured than Andrew Neil about what would happen post-referendum during the transition to Independence and the negotiations that would take place then. She at least recognised, as Andrew Neil did not, that in the event of a yes vote the rUK would have to negotiate the parting of the ways in good faith. According to Neil the rUK would get belligerent and obdurate after a yes vote. He does not seem to realise that that sort of behaviour would make the rUK a laughing stock in the wider world and bring some very unwelcome criticism of that stance.
Neil was clearly filtering his comments through his own bile and prejudice and in no way could they be said top be impartial or informed.
Nick Robinson was a bit nudge nudge wink wink in some of his comments as if what he was positing wiould happen came straight from the village horse in Westminster.
Still to reduce my blood pressure to more reasonable levels before watching BT.
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2012-04-15 18:27
Had to laugh the other night at Gordon Brewer. Without a hint of iron he was lamenting the fact that whereas we in Scotland know everything about England’s Newton and Germany’s Einstein we know little or nothing about our own David Clark Maxwell, who Einstein regarded more highly than Newton.
While BBC Scotland frequently slobbers over anything or anyone English who is even remotely famous they are more than happy to ignore giants like DCM because they are Scottish.
Ranting Nat? Me? Look at your history books e.g. indigenous Indians of North America and you will find many similarities with the way England has treated the Scots.
The last thing the conquerors want is the conquered to speak their own language, wear their national costumes or learn about their national history or and especially about their national heroes. Ring any bells?
VOTE YES in 2014
While BBC Scotland frequently slobbers over anything or anyone English who is even remotely famous they are more than happy to ignore giants like DCM because they are Scottish.
Ranting Nat? Me? Look at your history books e.g. indigenous Indians of North America and you will find many similarities with the way England has treated the Scots.
The last thing the conquerors want is the conquered to speak their own language, wear their national costumes or learn about their national history or and especially about their national heroes. Ring any bells?
VOTE YES in 2014
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2012-04-15 18:29
James Clerk Maxwell?
en.wikipedia.org/…/…
I think his name is on Hampden but I haven’t been there for years.
en.wikipedia.org/…/…
I think his name is on Hampden but I haven’t been there for years.
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2012-04-15 18:37
I’ve often thought that Butehouse.
The first time i read ‘Bury my heart at wounded knee’ i was struck by the similarities between the treatment of the Scots and the American Indians.
The first time i read ‘Bury my heart at wounded knee’ i was struck by the similarities between the treatment of the Scots and the American Indians.
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2012-04-15 18:41
Isobel Fraser definately has a more balanced approach than any of the other BBC presenters.
And well done to Alex Neil on the politics show today he fairly gave Willie Rennie and Richard Baker a pasting regarding the rises in bus fares. Also Richard Baker should be the next labour leader in Scotland, he would raise spluttering to new levels in FM’s question time.
And well done to Alex Neil on the politics show today he fairly gave Willie Rennie and Richard Baker a pasting regarding the rises in bus fares. Also Richard Baker should be the next labour leader in Scotland, he would raise spluttering to new levels in FM’s question time.
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2012-04-15 21:41
Quoting Davy:
Davy, I also watched both Andrew Neil’s Politics Show and the following Politics Scotland hosted by Isabel Fraser. Like you, I thoroughly enjoyed Alex Neil’s robust rejection of the lame arguments put forward by Rennie and Baker.
Rennie was trying his best to sound measured and reasonable, in contrast to his usual “attack dog” style he adopts at FMQ’s. It didn’t work.
Baker, on the other hand, was his usual gibbering, poorly briefed self, and unsuccessfully tried the usual Labour “debating” tactic of shouting down and talking over the opponent. At one point, he and Rennie were getting so hysterical in their combined efforts to land a verbal glove on Alex Neil, that Isabel Fraser actually burst out laughing at their puerile behaviour.
Result: SNP 2, Unionists 0. Well done Alex Neil.
Isobel Fraser definately has a more balanced approach than any of the other BBC presenters.
And well done to Alex Neil on the politics show today he fairly gave Willie Rennie and Richard Baker a pasting regarding the rises in bus fares. Also Richard Baker should be the next labour leader in Scotland, he would raise spluttering to new levels in FM’s question time.
Davy, I also watched both Andrew Neil’s Politics Show and the following Politics Scotland hosted by Isabel Fraser. Like you, I thoroughly enjoyed Alex Neil’s robust rejection of the lame arguments put forward by Rennie and Baker.
Rennie was trying his best to sound measured and reasonable, in contrast to his usual “attack dog” style he adopts at FMQ’s. It didn’t work.
Baker, on the other hand, was his usual gibbering, poorly briefed self, and unsuccessfully tried the usual Labour “debating” tactic of shouting down and talking over the opponent. At one point, he and Rennie were getting so hysterical in their combined efforts to land a verbal glove on Alex Neil, that Isabel Fraser actually burst out laughing at their puerile behaviour.
Result: SNP 2, Unionists 0. Well done Alex Neil.
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2012-04-15 18:42
O/T
BBC web site has a story about SNP possibly about to change its policy on NATO membership post independence.
bbc.co.uk/…/…
BBC web site has a story about SNP possibly about to change its policy on NATO membership post independence.
bbc.co.uk/…/…
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2012-04-15 18:55
OT – Just a wee bit.
Lamment talking garbage, as usual, as Labour set to perform a U turn.
pressandjournal.co.uk/…/…
“ A city Labour councillor admitted yesterday that his group may be forced to backtrack on plans to scrap the proposed redevelopment of Union Terrace Gardens.
National party leader Johann Lamont said on a visit to Aberdeen this week that the controversial City Garden Project would be ditched if Labour gains control of the town house.
A local referendum held last month to gauge public support for the £140million regeneration scheme returned a majority of more than 4,000 in favour. “
Lamment talking garbage, as usual, as Labour set to perform a U turn.
pressandjournal.co.uk/…/…
“ A city Labour councillor admitted yesterday that his group may be forced to backtrack on plans to scrap the proposed redevelopment of Union Terrace Gardens.
National party leader Johann Lamont said on a visit to Aberdeen this week that the controversial City Garden Project would be ditched if Labour gains control of the town house.
A local referendum held last month to gauge public support for the £140million regeneration scheme returned a majority of more than 4,000 in favour. “
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2012-04-15 19:03
Some of the comments on here seem a wee bit hysterical to me. Brian Taylor and Nic Robinson are both decent journalists. I didn’t see any significant pro Unionist bias in either of their presentations:B rian Taylors analysis in particular was pretty much spot on- Of course SNP strategy is to hold the referendum when the Unionists are campaigning against each other in the run up to a General election!It is silly to lump Taylor and Robinson in with a hoary old Londonista such as Andrew Neil. Unsubtle British Nationalist propaganda is all you’d expect from him and that’s exactly what he delivers here.
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2012-04-15 19:14
I posted something similar, but less eruditely on this Thread and because it went against the general flow of the Thread my comment was trashed.
I also added a link to a blog that mildly criticised NNS, to give a different viewpoint.
This appears to be Verboten nowadays so was perhaps the reason my post disappeared.
A group of people agreeing with each other becomes boring.
Tread warily ‘zeldomzeen’ for you may well become what your name implies.
Perhaps I will also.
I also added a link to a blog that mildly criticised NNS, to give a different viewpoint.
This appears to be Verboten nowadays so was perhaps the reason my post disappeared.
A group of people agreeing with each other becomes boring.
Tread warily ‘zeldomzeen’ for you may well become what your name implies.
Perhaps I will also.
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2012-04-15 19:33
Cheers Briggs
It would be kind of boring if this was just a forum for nationalist fanboys(and girls?)though I do wish someone would disappear Andrew Neil! Maybe Auntie will have the good taste to be embarrassed by him and ensure that he only gets a low profile in BBC referendum reports…we can only hope!
It would be kind of boring if this was just a forum for nationalist fanboys(and girls?)though I do wish someone would disappear Andrew Neil! Maybe Auntie will have the good taste to be embarrassed by him and ensure that he only gets a low profile in BBC referendum reports…we can only hope!
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2012-04-15 19:48
Briggs,
Strange this copmment from Suomi got through
Quote:
As with jokes, it depends how you tell them or in this case, write them.
Strange this copmment from Suomi got through
Quote:
I notice that Peyer Curran on his Moridura blog site is very supportive of the BBC and feels that a lot of conributors on Newsnet Scotland are overeacting.I have a great deal of respect for Peter,who is usually spot on in his analysis.However,while I agree with him that there are good journalists who are fair and balanced,and that some contributors may be too sensitive,I disagree with Peter on this one.It is not so much that people have their own political loyalty that is disturbing,it is the lack of professionalism and inability to conceal it,that is the concern.
As with jokes, it depends how you tell them or in this case, write them.
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2012-04-15 20:52
Nope don’t see anything wrong with what you highlight.
Am I supposed to think myself uncouth and lacking in manners or something?
I’m not buying it.
Am I supposed to think myself uncouth and lacking in manners or something?
I’m not buying it.
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2012-04-15 23:09
No but you did say above that you may have been less erudite but that does not mean uncouth.
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2012-04-15 19:59
Do you mean the link to the ‘Wings over Scotland’ one?
It’s still there, further up the thread
It’s still there, further up the thread
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2012-04-16 12:13
NQuoting Briggs:
Quoting Briggs:
Don’t worry, Briggs. We all think you are special. lol
Nope don’t see anything wrong with what you highlight. Am I supposed to think myself uncouth and lacking in manners or something? I’m not buying it.
Quoting Briggs:
The link is there, but not my post. Maybe I’m being a bit precious tonight. LOL.
Don’t worry, Briggs. We all think you are special. lol
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2012-04-15 19:20
I only watched the Brian Taylor vid. It seemed like a good analysis of the situation in Scotland to me.
It’s always useful to get someone else’s take on it (except for Andrew Neill’s of course!)
It’s always useful to get someone else’s take on it (except for Andrew Neill’s of course!)
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2012-04-15 19:27
He may be a lot of things, but the portly one, Cox, isn’t stupid, pointing out how the FM had adroitly shifted the Unionists into the position of demanding what he, Salmond, has always wanted.
He may be biased, but he has the intellect to spot what’s going on.
He may be biased, but he has the intellect to spot what’s going on.
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2012-04-15 19:31
I think the thing that concerns me most is why and to whom these speeches were being given ?
They are posted on the BBC College of Journalism’s You Tube page, were they talks telling other BBC journalists what line to follow? Were they guidance to journalists on what is happening in Scotland and what points should be pursued ?
If this is the case, to have Andrew Neill turning round and saying ‘that Scotland will take none of the debt and all of the oil’ is pretty inaccurate.
And whilst you may think that only one speech out of the three was inaccurate, the whole point is that none of them should be, as, and you are well aware of this, the BBC is supposed to be impartial.
So how do you qualify Andrew Neill’s comment ?
So while you criticise NNS and the posters here for there anger at this situation, you have nothing to say about Andrew Neill ?
They are posted on the BBC College of Journalism’s You Tube page, were they talks telling other BBC journalists what line to follow? Were they guidance to journalists on what is happening in Scotland and what points should be pursued ?
If this is the case, to have Andrew Neill turning round and saying ‘that Scotland will take none of the debt and all of the oil’ is pretty inaccurate.
And whilst you may think that only one speech out of the three was inaccurate, the whole point is that none of them should be, as, and you are well aware of this, the BBC is supposed to be impartial.
So how do you qualify Andrew Neill’s comment ?
So while you criticise NNS and the posters here for there anger at this situation, you have nothing to say about Andrew Neill ?
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2012-04-15 19:42
Neil is a reprobate and not open to persuasion, so what’s the point continually pointing out his ignorance ad infinitum.
Taylor gave a perceptive lecture to his audience and doesn’t deserve the approbation he’s receiving in the thread.
At times their appears to be too much anger and little thought on NNS and it doesn’t hurt to point that out now and again.
Taylor gave a perceptive lecture to his audience and doesn’t deserve the approbation he’s receiving in the thread.
At times their appears to be too much anger and little thought on NNS and it doesn’t hurt to point that out now and again.
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2012-04-15 20:02
Quoting Legerwood:
Sorry about that ………I really should take my pills on a more regular basis.
Taylor of course.
“Cox” – who he/she?
Sorry about that ………I really should take my pills on a more regular basis.
Taylor of course.
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2012-04-15 20:07
I think briggs, it is always worth pointing out political bias within the BBC, as it has such an important role in shaping the news narrative here in Scotland.
Time and again, the BBC and at the hands of MrTaylor, impartiality have been found wanting.
The really shocking aspect of all these videos, is that they appear to be some kind of briefing on ‘how to think’ about Scottish politics. Do the BBC need to do so with their new journalists? Should journalists not be allowed to fairly draw their own conclusions??
Sure, the BBC college should maybe teach journalistic skills, but telling new journalists WHAT to think, is really rather odd, in a publicly funded body that claims to have impartiality at its heart. These videos suggest group think, rather than impartiality are the watchword regarding Scotland.
I think your suggestion of too much anger and little thought at Newsnet Scotland is misplaced.
Time and again, the BBC and at the hands of MrTaylor, impartiality have been found wanting.
The really shocking aspect of all these videos, is that they appear to be some kind of briefing on ‘how to think’ about Scottish politics. Do the BBC need to do so with their new journalists? Should journalists not be allowed to fairly draw their own conclusions??
Sure, the BBC college should maybe teach journalistic skills, but telling new journalists WHAT to think, is really rather odd, in a publicly funded body that claims to have impartiality at its heart. These videos suggest group think, rather than impartiality are the watchword regarding Scotland.
I think your suggestion of too much anger and little thought at Newsnet Scotland is misplaced.
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2012-04-15 20:56
I think thats a fair point Briggs, we do get carried away at times with our scorn over the BBC’s news production – but I think to give up pointing out the rubbish that Neil spouts, especially if this speech is to BBC journalists and giving them ‘guidance’ on the kind of reporting they should be producing would be a mistake.
The thing that makes the difference for me is that it would be ok for Neil to say this in an interview with Alex Salmond where a rebuttal can be offered, but this was not the case.
The thing that makes the difference for me is that it would be ok for Neil to say this in an interview with Alex Salmond where a rebuttal can be offered, but this was not the case.
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2012-04-15 20:04
The BBC has a rather large Education Section which is tasked with updating its staff on a whole range of issues.
Because our concentration is on Scottish politics, perhaps we don’t remember just how different it is from English politics – and since Scots issues rarely appear in the English media, just how ignorant of Scottish affairs even well informed people down south actually are. That is especially true of those based in or near London, for whom dragons stalk the land to the north.
Their concentration is wholly on the Westminster bubble, but a quick look at the area samples from any GB poll demonstrates graphically how different we really are. This is the latest YG poll on Westminster voting intention and attitudes to the Coalition.
VI
Con, Lab, L_D, Oth, Area
35%, 43%, 8 %, 13%, London
38%, 31%, 16%, 15% S Eng
31%, 43%, 8 %, 18% Midlands/Wales
35%, 47%, 8 %, 9 % N Eng
12%, 36%, 6 %, 46% Scotland
Approve/Disapprove/Don’t Know of the Government’s record to date
App, Dis, D_K , Area
30%, 55%, 15% London
29%, 56%, 15% S Eng
21%, 68%, 11% Midlands/Wales
22%, 60%, 18% N Eng
13%, 78%, 9 % Scotland
Because our concentration is on Scottish politics, perhaps we don’t remember just how different it is from English politics – and since Scots issues rarely appear in the English media, just how ignorant of Scottish affairs even well informed people down south actually are. That is especially true of those based in or near London, for whom dragons stalk the land to the north.
Their concentration is wholly on the Westminster bubble, but a quick look at the area samples from any GB poll demonstrates graphically how different we really are. This is the latest YG poll on Westminster voting intention and attitudes to the Coalition.
VI
Con, Lab, L_D, Oth, Area
35%, 43%, 8 %, 13%, London
38%, 31%, 16%, 15% S Eng
31%, 43%, 8 %, 18% Midlands/Wales
35%, 47%, 8 %, 9 % N Eng
12%, 36%, 6 %, 46% Scotland
Approve/Disapprove/Don’t Know of the Government’s record to date
App, Dis, D_K , Area
30%, 55%, 15% London
29%, 56%, 15% S Eng
21%, 68%, 11% Midlands/Wales
22%, 60%, 18% N Eng
13%, 78%, 9 % Scotland
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2012-04-15 20:16
Yes, UK Gov disapproval is up 5% to 73% on average in Scotland, with only 16% approval. Based on my own ongoing poll analyses I have this conservatively for UKGE intention:
SNP 45%
Lab 34%
Con 15%
Lib 5%
I see nothing that indicates the SNP have shifted from the ~50% share for Scots intention as we move towards the council elections.
EDIT. Prior to the rise in disapproval since Cruddas/the budget, it was sitting consistently at ~62.5%. That magic number and my prediction for yes, as per 1997 Y-Y.
SNP 45%
Lab 34%
Con 15%
Lib 5%
I see nothing that indicates the SNP have shifted from the ~50% share for Scots intention as we move towards the council elections.
EDIT. Prior to the rise in disapproval since Cruddas/the budget, it was sitting consistently at ~62.5%. That magic number and my prediction for yes, as per 1997 Y-Y.
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2012-04-16 12:04
Hi SS
Do you have a blog or a website that you keep track of all your figures? I’d like to follow it if at all possible!
Thanks
Do you have a blog or a website that you keep track of all your figures? I’d like to follow it if at all possible!
Thanks
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2012-04-16 12:52
No – I do put some graphs up online sometimes. I’m well too busy at the moment with work, but If I can I’ll do a summary come the end of the month when we have new polls out ahead of the council elections.
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2012-04-16 15:31
Dont go doing anything on my behalf. It was just on the off chance you did. I was just gonna go over and have a wee kneb at them. Your analysis always makes for interesting reading.
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2012-04-15 20:53
Just noticed this article in the Herald and what a difference in TV coverage. Consejo Audiovisual de Cataluna the TV watchdog has expressed concern that TV3 devoted more minutes to Alex salmond and the Scottish politics than to a major scandal involving the king of Spains son in law. the regulator is concerned that TV3 is using Scotland as a means to promote independence in Cataonia a process the Spanish government is trying to supress. Something tells me this is a role reversal.
heraldscotland.com/…/…
heraldscotland.com/…/…
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2012-04-15 21:14
Thanks for the link.
From the story;
” ABC, a traditionalist right-wing newspaper, has been running a campaign with the slogan “There is a problem in our country. The problem is Catalonia.” ABC’s front page news last week was that “an independent Catalonia will be poverty-stricken”.
Now, does that sound familiar???
Source;
heraldscotland.com/…/…
From the story;
” ABC, a traditionalist right-wing newspaper, has been running a campaign with the slogan “There is a problem in our country. The problem is Catalonia.” ABC’s front page news last week was that “an independent Catalonia will be poverty-stricken”.
Now, does that sound familiar???
Source;
heraldscotland.com/…/…
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2012-04-15 21:38
There’s a bit of background there, Border reiver. It’s not the Audiovisual Council itself, this is the voice of its new extreme right-wing deputy-chairman, who has wasted no time in raising symbolic complaints about TV3’s failure to address Spain-centred trivia like the Spanish royal family’s various adventures, which are not of vast interest to the Catalans and anathema to independentists , many of whom are republican.
I’m afraid that here, Alex Salmond is largely mentioned as shorthand for “independentism”, so you can see in Catalonia the right wing is trying to control the media agenda from within, but more blatantly than here.
I’m afraid that here, Alex Salmond is largely mentioned as shorthand for “independentism”, so you can see in Catalonia the right wing is trying to control the media agenda from within, but more blatantly than here.
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2012-04-15 22:44
I have just tried to watch Brian’s video again. I could only stomach a few minutes of it before having to turn it off. It is even worse second time around.
How any level headed person could think this derogatory “analysis” is acceptable from a BBC employee beggars belief.
How any level headed person could think this derogatory “analysis” is acceptable from a BBC employee beggars belief.
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2012-04-15 23:11
So three days on and we finally have a response of sort from BBC Scotland via Douglas Fraser on the Skintland furore.
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2012-04-15 23:46
I just fail to understand, why if unionists believe Scotland would be worse off with independence and that Scotland is currently being subsidised, they are hell bent in keeping us in. It just does not make any sense, UNLESS its all a pack of lies?
Its not the English we should fear, because we can handle them, but Its the enemy within.
Its not the English we should fear, because we can handle them, but Its the enemy within.
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2012-04-16 00:19
Independence movements the world over have always met tough resistance. Often this resistance has been strongest from so called “democratic” nations.
It is, for example as quoted in the Herald, “constant struggle for Catalans and Basques abroad explaining their identity. People say Barcelona, Bilbao, they are in Spain. When Catalans and Basques make the point that Catalonia and the Basque country are not Spain, they are painted as fanatic xenophobic nationalists.” Sound familiar?
Another similarity between independence movements is the flow of scaremongering stories emanating from the big unionist neighbor’s media. Typical is ABC, a traditionalist Spanish right-wing newspaper, has been running a campaign with the slogan “There is a problem in our country. The problem is Catalonia.” ABC’s front page news last week was that “an independent Catalonia will be poverty-stricken”. Sound familiar?
Unionists’ way of arguing their point has always been through scaremongering and personal insults. They really know no other way; it’s their way or the high way. They have no tolerance towards those who aspire to their own nationhood. They are the sole guardians of what is not only the right way, but the only way. They expound sympathy towards other independence movements but never when it’s on their own doorstep. They prefer to cling on to power rather than relinquish it. When they talk about the benefits of the union what they really mean are the benefits for the larger partner. Their case, when they make a case, is always the cold economics and never the spirit of nationhood or self determination. Their case for the union has no place for the rights of a people to be masters of their own destiny, culture, and language. Their case for the union has no place for the rights of a people to be members of the world of democratic nations with their own voice.
Does all this sound familiar? Well it should, as it’s happening to the Scottish people today.
It is, for example as quoted in the Herald, “constant struggle for Catalans and Basques abroad explaining their identity. People say Barcelona, Bilbao, they are in Spain. When Catalans and Basques make the point that Catalonia and the Basque country are not Spain, they are painted as fanatic xenophobic nationalists.” Sound familiar?
Another similarity between independence movements is the flow of scaremongering stories emanating from the big unionist neighbor’s media. Typical is ABC, a traditionalist Spanish right-wing newspaper, has been running a campaign with the slogan “There is a problem in our country. The problem is Catalonia.” ABC’s front page news last week was that “an independent Catalonia will be poverty-stricken”. Sound familiar?
Unionists’ way of arguing their point has always been through scaremongering and personal insults. They really know no other way; it’s their way or the high way. They have no tolerance towards those who aspire to their own nationhood. They are the sole guardians of what is not only the right way, but the only way. They expound sympathy towards other independence movements but never when it’s on their own doorstep. They prefer to cling on to power rather than relinquish it. When they talk about the benefits of the union what they really mean are the benefits for the larger partner. Their case, when they make a case, is always the cold economics and never the spirit of nationhood or self determination. Their case for the union has no place for the rights of a people to be masters of their own destiny, culture, and language. Their case for the union has no place for the rights of a people to be members of the world of democratic nations with their own voice.
Does all this sound familiar? Well it should, as it’s happening to the Scottish people today.
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2012-04-16 12:15
Sounds,and reads VERY familiar.Scotlandfirst,-many thanks for your hard work putting all this together.
Definitely one for my Favourites/Bookmarks as it’ll be suggested reading as the Referendum approaches.
BRING THE SCOTLAND MP’s HOME from the ‘Mother of Parliaments’,i.e.Imperial Parliament.
We put them there—-we can bring them all back—-Lets do it!
Definitely one for my Favourites/Bookmarks as it’ll be suggested reading as the Referendum approaches.
BRING THE SCOTLAND MP’s HOME from the ‘Mother of Parliaments’,i.e.Imperial Parliament.
We put them there—-we can bring them all back—-Lets do it!
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2012-04-16 00:30
Think this is an instructional video telling BBC presenters who might be interviewing SNP mp’s amd msp’s , the focal points to attack them on . Has the same been done for unionist mp’s – No . Just what we’ve come to expect so no surprise there .
The video is a godsend because it shows what the unionist camp really believe are the facts . It was never going to be as easy as many posters said over the past year that gaining independence was a done deal . There are going to be many more of these attacks over the coming months .
Alex Salmond has been correct in maintaining a very positive profile in his oratory . But there are grains of truth in many points raised and we have to recognise and confront them .
I agree EU membership is not a be all and end all . We can do without it .I think there would have to be another referendum on membership after independence . It would be folly to go too deeply into a slogging match about membership , ( continuing as normal or having to reapply under Europe’s conditions ) , at this stage . I suspect Europe would want us more than we would want them after independence.
The video is a godsend because it shows what the unionist camp really believe are the facts . It was never going to be as easy as many posters said over the past year that gaining independence was a done deal . There are going to be many more of these attacks over the coming months .
Alex Salmond has been correct in maintaining a very positive profile in his oratory . But there are grains of truth in many points raised and we have to recognise and confront them .
I agree EU membership is not a be all and end all . We can do without it .I think there would have to be another referendum on membership after independence . It would be folly to go too deeply into a slogging match about membership , ( continuing as normal or having to reapply under Europe’s conditions ) , at this stage . I suspect Europe would want us more than we would want them after independence.
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2012-04-16 12:33
YES-.SOMEONE AWAKES.-FINALLY.
BBC.Scotland Independence.
This is REQUIRED viewing,along with the BBC ‘instructional’ YouTube videos.
British State Broadcaster,wit h a Scotland anti-independence agenda–the BBC.Yes,the BBC.
Scots worldwide–Pakistan/Australia etc.– would your local TV/radio stations be interested in this? The BBC ‘bending’ the news in Scotland for political reasons.
thedrum.co.uk/…/…
BBC.Scotland Independence.
This is REQUIRED viewing,along with the BBC ‘instructional’ YouTube videos.
British State Broadcaster,wit h a Scotland anti-independence agenda–the BBC.Yes,the BBC.
Scots worldwide–Pakistan/Australia etc.– would your local TV/radio stations be interested in this? The BBC ‘bending’ the news in Scotland for political reasons.
thedrum.co.uk/…/…
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2012-04-16 15:13
Continuing in a positive vein and ignoring the heartfelt thoughts of BBC employees, here is a link which I have just received which may be beneficial to those who are not yet persuaded by the arguments for a successful, Independent Scotland…
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www.facebook.com/…/
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